Are Tory voters that stupid?

[StoneofDestiny]

Listening to Tory after Tory coming on TV this morning and almost every one has mentioned Jeremy Corbyn as the fear factor in voting Labour at the next election. Seriously - is that the best argument they have got to steer the public disgust at this government's behaviour away from them?

Are Tory voters that stupid?

Surely, the answer is obvious.

However, we daren't say it as Tory voters are overly sensitive and easily offended.

"Any criticism about Tories is reduced to this debate, which to me, is something that will eventually be resolved somewhere in the middle ground"
There is no middle ground. Either Labour recognise that women exist, or they don't, "Women exist, but" is saying women don't exist. They aren't going to win a general election unless they recognise the existence of over half of the electorate. So why they are hemming and hawing over it is beyond me.

I have yet to see any evidence of anyone in any political party saying women don’t exist.

15 pages of this thread and this thread and this is the best comment you can come up with ?
You might think you sound clever ,but i would say the opposite tbh .

Well Boris was very clear on the matter when Kier Starmer wasn't. I wouldn't vote for Kier based on what he believes and has said. Its too important. At the very least Boris got that right

I know a lot of people say Johnson and others use this as a wedge issue and they're not wrong. But it's still a serious issue and Labour could have defused it by taking a firm, clear stance. It shouldn't be controversial to say that sex is real and some rights need to be based on it because oppression sure as fuck is. One can respect gender identities and people's right to express themselves authentically while still holding that clear truth. The very concept of transgenderism relies on sex and gender being different things.

All the evidence certainly points in one direction.

A week after Starmer did his Andrew Marr interview, PM Johnson refused to say only women have a cervix on GB News. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1501654/Boris-Johnson-GB-News-latest-Conservative-Party-speech-woke-cancel-culture-woman-cervix-vn/amp

He didn't get it right then. And he said little else until shortly before 2 By-elections.🤔 Even then it wasn't anything substantial in terms of rights in law.

To be fair to any traditional conservatives, the Tory party you once recognised is now long gone - its semi-corpse is being driven into ideological oblivion by a horrid combination of dim selfish UKIP voters, US-influenced Libertarian nut-jobs, economic anarchists and sycophantic career MPs. Unfortunately we all get dragged along with it.

Are Labour voters really so patronising?

Post like this would steer me away from Tory and straight into the arms of Lib Dem.

And once upon a time, I'd have joined you. But Baroness Featherstone said I wasn't welcome in the LibDems if I didn't consent to intact males in female spaces, so I won't be going there either.

I suppose it's sort of liberating being a LibDem. You can say anything you like, safe in the knowledge that it won't ever cost you an election victory.

This. How do you think you will win people over to your argument by insulting them.

You sound like Gordon Brown muttering about 'that awful racist woman' when one of his electorate had expressed what was, in her mind, a valid concern.

Insulting people just hardens opinions and gets you nowhere.

I cringe when posters insult those with differing political views (tory scum jibes a la Angela Rayner). It's just petty and childish but to suggest that it will swing a GE is a bit hyperbolic and doesn't give much credit to the electorate's ability in critical thinking.
Conservative voters need to take responsibility for the economic shit show the country is in rather than just doubling down and sticking their fingers in their ears. Most of them on here would never dream of voting labour anyway so it's all a bit 'faux outrage'. And fwiw they seem to forget the constant attacks on lefty wokeness coming from their side too which is a bit ironic...

It’s true many voters will always vote Labour or Cons etc no matter what but many in the middle who swing elections

eg the landslide for Blair and Johnson you’d get a few that voted for both

I’m not keen on the thick type attacks from the left even if the vote doesn’t go my way, for example Brexit. Better to understand what’s going on behind the swings

You don’t seem to object to insults going the other way@MarshaBradyo. Funny, that. I personally think if anyone of any political persuasion has to resort to insult, mockery or any kind of personal attack they’ve lost the argument. But let’s not pretend it isn’t confined to any group on the political spectrum.

Can you explain what you are referring to

do you mean the recent FWR thread?

I’m referring to Tory voters insulting those with diametrically opposing views.

You’re obsessed with that thread @MarshaBradyo.

Ridiculous patronising post.
Voters decide to vote for the party and leader that matches their world view.
No one can deny all political parties make mistakes. Labour had the only decent Prime Minister and chancellor this country has ever seen. They stabbed him in the back. Anyone who mentions the illegal war can fuck off to the far side of fuck as every party would have done the same.

Haha no you seemed put out by insultsI haven’t objected to and I couldn’t think where I hadn’t interjected to your liking

I can’t think of anywhere I remember I tend to forget, but I do recall you on that thread

I’m glad it means little to you too

Answer to Blossom as usual due to all the quoting

You said I’m not keen on the thick type attacks from the left. I was merely pointing out those attacks go in both directions, they’re not exclusively made by “the left”. 🤷‍♀️

I'll always remember some of the atrocious classist comments made on the Angela Rayner thread when she directed that stupid phrase at the tory party. Common, rough, brash, thick, gobby, awful accent and dress sense, terrible mother to name but a few. And then ironically claiming that she wasn't the right kind of w/c person at the same time slating the LP for not listening to or respecting this mythical working class.
So I think conservative voters are just more canny at insulting their opposition.

Yes I do think many politics threads are dominated who are more likely to insult

You can see it when a couple of posters who don’t agree post and regularly get personal attacks

Fine most probably just swerve them like I do, but you get echo chambers

Angela Rayner gets dreadful classist misogynist abuse. But apparently that's ok because... something.🤷‍♀️