Are Tory voters that stupid?

[StoneofDestiny]

Listening to Tory after Tory coming on TV this morning and almost every one has mentioned Jeremy Corbyn as the fear factor in voting Labour at the next election. Seriously - is that the best argument they have got to steer the public disgust at this government's behaviour away from them?

@FOJN

Thank you!

I just know this is complicated and easy to miss.

You have no idea who I voted for or why

but looking at it objectively you do have to question the basis why someone who has been brutally impacted by the consequences of a Tory government would have voted for a Tory MP. I mean you’d had to been living in some sort of space vacuum or have bene lobotomised to not have known what they stood for.
the conservatives milked the hatred or Corbin and the EU that and been whipped up and it was clear what they were doing. It became a panacea for a complete lack of policy in most areas other than not taxing the rich.

i think mine - and a great many others - incredulity and anger about this is rightly justified when we sit now and survey the absolute state of the country and what day to day life means for ordinary people.

It’s not just about a different view.

If people can't understand that other have different priorities,they see different thing's in a situation or issue...if they can't understand this; who really is the brainwashed one??

This thread just keeps giving. Still calling Tory voters stupid isn't going to make anyone who wants to Tory not vote Tory and just because you don't understand why they do vote Tory doesn't mean they're wrong. But do carry on.

everyone has different priorities

it’s just that some people chose not to put their faith in a back of a fag packet Barnum talk about jumping out of the frying pan into the fire

ALL the things that have now brought Johnson down were in plain sight to both the Conservative party when he was left as one of the two standing and to the general public.

All this bluster about trust from within the party now shows the total lack of scruples at play.

people defend their 2019 vote for the Tories because that means they don’t have to deal with these uncomfortable truths

You have asked yourself that despite all you say why people couldn't bring themselves to vote labour ,and wasn't that they were thick or stupid or brainwashed it's that they could see there was no alternative
Also people vote for their own MP and what's important to them locally if you can't see that, than maybe you need to open your mind and listen to people instead of pompously assuming they are thick, you might just learn something

people defend their 2019 vote for the Tories because that means they don’t have to deal with these uncomfortable truths

I think this is part of the problem, for some reason you think other people should defend or justify their voting choices to you. Why should they? What happens in the voting booth is a private matter.

I didn't vote for Blair but I've never asked a Labour voter to defend voting for Blair AFTER he took us into the war in Iraq. No one owes me an explanation for that and yet his actions clearly did undermine trust in our political class. That was not the fault of the people who voted for him. Perhaps we valued the democratic process more then.

You also talk about the Conservatives stoking hate but in reality I think this is projection. I rarely encounter anyone as vitriolic about any issue as supporters of the modern left seem to be about almost everything. And somehow they seem to feel sharing their vitriol whenever they encounter someone with a different opinion is a virtue.

Feel free to brand me a brainwashed Tory bot, not only would you be wrong (as previous posts make clear) but you should also know I do not care.

I'm heartened to see people of different political persuasions coming together on this thread to say enough is enough wrt to the tendency of some (usually on the left) to smear and bully people they do not agree with.

I’m not sure what you have read in my
to suggest I voted Labour or that am part of this vitriolic modern left? You’ve made a massive reach there. Think we all know it’s not just hard left voters that have a deep seated mistrust and lack of respect for the Conservative Party.

of course you will always have some elements do rent a mob mentality in politics but with the growing polarisation and disenfranchisement that seems inevitable. Look to the source of that. by necessity and culture the left are more adept at mobilising and articulating their “vitriol” . The traditional conservative right don’t need to don this as they like to consider themselves immune to whatever unfolds as they are successful, relatively wealthy and protected on an individual level. One of the things they did well in 2019 was hoodwink parts of the voting population that that was a club more of them could belong to with Brexit and their vision.

I am simply stating that I think there are a lot of people who made a huge mistake voting Conservatives in 2019 in terms of the consequences of that decision for not only themselves but the country as a whole.

it is all well and good to say what happens in the voting booth is a private matter but the accumulative results of that private matter affect us all. To assert otherwise is ridiculous.

I don’t think people need to defend their decisions nor that they are even regretting them

I didn’t vote for Brexit but I can understand why people did - not as much as they do but just a notion from reading various things and listening to what people say

To know whether they would change that view it would have to be run again, but I wouldn’t assume they are regretting it

I didn't vote for Blair but I've never asked a Labour voter to defend voting for Blair AFTER he took us into the war in Iraq. No one owes me an explanation for that and yet his actions clearly did undermine trust in our political class. That was not the fault of the people who voted for him. Perhaps we valued the democratic process more then

Johnson was a noted liar before he became PM. It was matter of public record, so yes, those who voted Tory knowing it would be him as PM are responsible.

Precisely this
The Conservative Party put forward and the voting public majorities backed a known liar , an incompetent bigot and a fraud in every level. A man with who’d also rather feign ignorance and stupidity than hols his hands up. So also a coward.

they knew exactly what they were voting for or they didn’t care. Either is indefensible.

Either is indefensible.

Defend it to whom, to you? I don’t think people need to defend their decisions. It’s up to each of us to vote in the way they want. If they are happy with how they voted fine if not they can switch next time.

So now you are saying the knew who they were voting for ,I thought you said they were brainwashed?
But yes nobody needs to defend who they voted for it's nobody else's business.

It no longer matters. The Tories are now in power. All those who voted Conservative "because they know what a woman is"🤭 are going to be fucked. All those who voted Conservative "because Corbyn" are going to be fucked. All those who voted Conservative "because the metropolitan elite have had it too good for too long"🤯 are going to be fucked. All those who voted Conservative to "get the Brexit they they voted for"🤣🤣🤣 are fucked. Everyone who voted and didn't vote is going to be totally and utterly fucked because of this shambolic, chaotic mess of a party.

If you're rich, you'll be OK though🤷‍♀️

Well rather than tell people that are fucked they/they are wrong laughed at for being so foolish 🙄 they need to be engaged with

this was exactly why Nigel Farage
gained popularity he would engage with voters that Labour really did not want to engage with as has Boris Johnson

More fool Labour

I know people on the left feel strongly but you have to let people decide for themselves. They might regret past votes but I doubt it

Even Labour have made a recent statement on Brexit, most have accepted it. In terms of future elections we’ll see what happens, but everyone gets to decide and each vote carries equal weight. There’s no point in imagining everyone regrets their vote

Why are you laughing if you believe the country is fucked ,that includes you too regardless of who you voted for.

I am not a Labour supporter.
We are fucked. Spectacularly fucked. No amount of "engagement" can change that.
People choose to believe a proven, habitual liar's lies, there's nothing I can do about it. So I'll take my laughs where I can get them thanks.🤷‍♀️

I'll be voting Conservative again because I hate Labour and everything they stand for.

However they voted in the past, critical thinkers will be looking at the evidence of the past 12 years and making their choices.

But here’s the problem - you won’t change the minds of a lot of people because some just don’t have the skills to critically evaluate evidence and they don’t believe in experts.

For some it’s about tribalism, ideology, othering. They would rather believe what their favorite news outlet tells them to believe than make an effort to understand the true picture.

I didn’t say Labour I said left - I doubt these posts are coming from further to the right

But no there isn’t anything you can do about it, that’s the reality when we all get to vote.

All votes are equal and as much as some find it hard to accept people feel differently to how they do it’s how it is.

I’ve voted in various ways, sometimes on winning side sometimes losing, it’s just how it is with democratic voting and I prefer to respect that

This is a perfect example of what I mean.

Not exactly refuting the charge that tories only deal in the politics of hate.

And the superiority of ‘they cannot think critically but I can’ is also what I mean.

It’s part of the problem for the left that they think everyone but them can see the issues. It’s part of the reason they lost sections of society - everyone has the right to decide and not be undermined with you’re too thick (or insert other phrase)

I said they knew or didn’t care
They were sucked in by the Boris show and down the rabbit hole

see you’re not disputing the fact that it was all on record what a lying crook he is though