Am I naive to think Boris PM knows something we don’t know?

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Exactly that! The man is being shamed, people are resigning left right and centre (no pun intended). Am I thinking Boris out of possible concern for the country knows something we don’t know and wonders if he is actually the best of a bad bunch?

or is he so egotistical, so consumed by his own worth that he actually hasn’t got a clue!

I’m trying to work out why he’s clinging on for dear life!

It’s win win for Labour. They either keep the useless but weirdly appealing Johnson or they elect someone perhaps slightly more competent but who has far, far, less electoral appeal for anyone outside of the core Tory support. Very tempted to put money on a Labour majority at the next election.

@theworldhas Labour still has a very long way to go. I can think of lots of middle aged women predominately that I have spoken to who agree Johnson should go but in the next breath say 'I don't like Kier Starmer' (no idea why - don't think they actually listen to what he says - a bit like Ed Miliband was derided in the press but spoke much sense if you listen to him)

Labour need to get shouting about their policies now rather than pointing out how terrible Johnson is (& sort out their stance on women as that's losing them voters) We need a viable alternative to be visible. Personally, I'd like to see a coalition with Lib Dems,Greens & Labour working together.

Personally, I'd like to see a coalition with Lib Dems,Greens & Labour working together.

So would I. Hopefully that’s what we’ll get soon.

He’s a narcissist and will be literally Pushed out through the front door

and Carrie will be off in a couple of years
probably too ….

And your point is?

A vote of no confidence would be voted on by MPs, not 'Terry and June'. Ditto for changes to the rules regarding the time limits.

You could at least trouble yourself to look up how the process works before you object to it.

A Labour coalition with the Lib Dems would be great - would hopefully mean rejoining the single market/customs union and also electoral reform with an end to FPTP.

Johnson believes is own lies and doesn’t even know he’s doing it, one way or another he will go, Ive no idea who will replace him so many top Tories have tarnished reputations now

With a new leader they have over 2 yrs to build an honest workable plan for recovery, that is a problem for Starmer because Johnson was his best hope for victory

I don't want Boris to leave
I'd never want the bastards Lib Dems with their U turn on university fees and I cannot stand Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner. We need stability and Boris is the best person right now. All these political games and making a statement with resignation are pathetic.. we know they will be shuffled around and given other roles soon enough. We don't need this drama it's distracting from more important things such as the environment, the economy and inflation.

Except Starmer ruled out rejoining the other day. So probably not!

All of my friends are scared of Kier Starmer and the LP getting in. I'm politically homeless myself ( I've never voted tory ever ) might have to be Lib dem.
My dh is a conservative and so are my boomer siblings. There is still a lot of support for the party and even for Boris Johnson , despite it all.
I'm surrounded by conservative voters. ( apart from ds2!)
The only man I've heard speaking any common sense lately is Mick Lynch ( about capitalism etc) Starmer strikes me as a very reluctant leader who knows that the shit will hit the fan and he doesn't want to be too near it really.
I feel we are doomed really.

I absolutely loathe Boris and the Tory party in general but I’m finding this absolutely cringeworthy to watch to the point I could almost feel sorry for BJ. Now Priti apparently has turned against him. It shows many in the party have no morals whatsoever. If they cared about the integrity of the gov. They’d have resigned months (if not years ago). It was always known BJ was unfit for the role of PM but they’re happy to ride the wave of utter shit whilst they benefit. Rats scurrying the lot of them. How anyone would vote for any of these people is completely beyond me.

That's what I mean, a coalition would mean that the Lib Dems would have their own demands for handing Kier Starmer the keys to No.10, I would hope that joining the single market would be one of those demands. It would be win-win for Starmer.

Face it, never in his entire life has Boris put anything ahead of his own personal self-interest. Why would he do anything different now?

Bizarre that you are still holding tuition fees over the Lib Dems despite them being a junior partner in a coalition government but you still back Boris despite the broken Brexit promises.

If I were a Brexit and Boris voter, I'd be furious just how I'd been mislead by the Leave campaign. I don't understand why more aren't. At no point was the hardest Brexit possible promised, it was going to be all the benefits without the disadvantages. The reality it's all the disadvantages without any of the benefits. Why aren't many Brexit voters angry? Why do some people still back Boris?

People still get angry about the Lib Dems and tuition fees, yet the Leave campaign gets off scot free and people still back Boris. It's unfathomable.

I very much doubt that would happen! If that's a major manifestos pledge, I can't see them going back on it for the LDs.

I also dread the idea of two or three parties (if they need the Greens) who have no idea what a woman is being in coalition together. Though I also don't want a Tory government particularly.

Lib Dem’s hand was forced re tuition fees, so much so that Nick Clegg shed tears over not very able to keep his promise. Blame Cameron for that!

It isn' a change in the law. It's a potential change in the rules of an internal party committee. If they find themselves in a situation where more than half the party is telling them that they cannot support the PM any more, it would be grossly irresponsible for them to ignore that. Apart from anything else, it would be the route to chaos - a government where only a small portion of the party support the PM, where they never vote in his favour, where his own party are constantly questioning his credibility in public and in private, where the cabinet don't turn up to cabinet meetings with him ...

What do you mean by "a group of unelected people"? The committee and the MPs it listens to are all elected.

Remember, he isn't an elected PM. We voted for the party, not the leader. The party is perfectly entitled to decide who it wants to lead it.

It's fascinating that his supporters have so little understanding of basic constitutional facts.

I wonder which name change boris apologist sock puppet account this one belongs to.

It's the latter, definitely.

Priti Patel has knifed him now.
Raab has been very quite.

Who do you think created the drama?

I think it's pretty much a certainty that he would want to rejoin the single market and having the Lib Dems as a junior coalition partner would make it very likely. His speech the other day was to nullify the Tories attack line on Brexit at the next election and ensure it isn't a re-run of 2019 again. It's the type of politics you have to play in a FPTP system.

Can't be bothered to answer your point on culture wars.

You wonder what is the attraction of the most influential position in the country?

Yes because God forbid someone has a different point of view to you or - shock horror - likes Boris who btw won the election.

Didn't ask you to as I don't care what you think! it was purely my opinion.

So Starmer was lying about the single market? Interesting way to win votes!