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Am I naive to think Boris PM knows something we don’t know?

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BiFoldChampion · 06/07/2022 15:10

Exactly that! The man is being shamed, people are resigning left right and centre (no pun intended). Am I thinking Boris out of possible concern for the country knows something we don’t know and wonders if he is actually the best of a bad bunch?

or is he so egotistical, so consumed by his own worth that he actually hasn’t got a clue!

I’m trying to work out why he’s clinging on for dear life!

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BiFoldChampion · 06/07/2022 15:37

Welshrarebit75 · 06/07/2022 15:33

He’s a hybristic, immoral, narcissist whose arrogance makes him believe all the normal rules don’t apply to him.

Not much to work out but the next few days/weeks will be an interesting watch as “Rome burns whilst he fiddles”.

It bemuses me that intelligent people like Marina Wheeler stayed with him for so long.

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FourTeaFallOut · 06/07/2022 15:37

He's like Kate Winslet, spread eagled on the enormous raft of wood with his kung fu grip while Nadine Dorries and Dominic Raab hang on by the fingertips.

PollenHigh · 06/07/2022 15:38

I love the mental gymnastics people go through to try to defend Johnson.

He’s not a Machiavellian genius, he’s just useless. Utterly unsuited to be Prime Minister. Unfit for office, not because of his politics but because of his personal attributes.

He is simply incapable of being transparent and telling the truth. We all fuck up from time to time; if you’re caught out, own it. Don’t lie, then admit it a bit, then admit it all when the evidence comes out because you have to, and make a “sincere apology”.

He’s clinging on because he thinks he was born to rule and loves power. He thinks he can ride it out and come out the other end. There’s no way he’s going voluntarily; he’d need dignity, honour and self-respect to do that.

Iliada · 06/07/2022 15:42

@BiFoldChampion No, Johnson definitely hasn’t been informed (by whom, MI5?) that he is the only person safe enough to lead the country.

He’s a malignant narcissist who doesn’t treat other people as much more than characters in a video game.

There are a lot of things he has done that show how he doesn’t care at all about the well-being of the country.

Just about anyone would be a safer pair of hands than Johnson.

WeAreBob · 06/07/2022 15:42

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 15:15

Because he can and, as is being discussed elsewhere here, the rush to change the law to force him into another VONC will have long reaching consequences.

A group of unelected people with untrammeled power to remove a PM?

I bet Sturgeon would leap upon the chance to finagle it into a referendum, until she gets the right answer.

And many other things that would change the nature of politics in the UK/GB

The people involved in removing him are all elected MPs in the conservative party.

As a side note, we don't elect a prime minister in this country. We elect MPs. The party with the most MPs takes leadership of the government. The party elect their leader. That's who we get as prime minister.

We didnt elect the prime minister. We don't actually get a say in who the prime minister is. We vote for our MP.

If the party with majority decides to change their leadership and, as a result, we get a different prime minister then we can't really complain and say we voted for that PM. We didnt. It is up to the party who they want as leader, not a public vote.

The difference i

TheGoogleMum · 06/07/2022 15:43

He wants to keep his power. He's not letting it go without a fight. I think its as simple as that. Any other PM would have resigned by now.

WeAreBob · 06/07/2022 15:45

*posted too soon

The difference between a normal party leadership vote and removing a party leader who is PM is that the only party members who can vote have to he elected MPs. So actually, they answer to their constituents and their vote is swayed by public opinion.

So, it's more "in the public interest" than a normal leadership vote.

But anyway, we don't vote for a prime minister so can't really say it is unethical for him to be removed.

PollenHigh · 06/07/2022 15:45

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 15:15

Because he can and, as is being discussed elsewhere here, the rush to change the law to force him into another VONC will have long reaching consequences.

A group of unelected people with untrammeled power to remove a PM?

I bet Sturgeon would leap upon the chance to finagle it into a referendum, until she gets the right answer.

And many other things that would change the nature of politics in the UK/GB

MPs will vote to remove him - they’re elected and many will be guided by the views of their constituents.

The change to VONC is not a change in the law. It’s a change of internal Conservative Party rules.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 06/07/2022 15:46

Pure ego and spite is keeping him there.

He'd rather see the country burn than admit it's long past his departure time.

the80sweregreat · 06/07/2022 15:49

What does he know op?
Has the deputy PM been in to defend him yet ?
He usually does!

DogInATent · 06/07/2022 15:49

Presumably he knows how many children he's got, which no one else is clear on.

I guess he knows the identity of the Conservative MP accused of serious sexual assault and instructed to stay away from Parliament.

He probably also knows the truth about the Canadian hairdresser and the super-injunction.

But he's clinging on because he's got nothing else and he's a self-centred narcissist and sociopath.

HannahSternDefoe · 06/07/2022 15:54

It's amusing to see that both BBC and SKY news have a "resignation counter" (currently 31) on their live coverage of BJ in cttee.

JohannSebastianBach · 06/07/2022 15:56

PurpleDaisies · 06/07/2022 15:36

I wouldn’t presume anything…

🤣

balalake · 06/07/2022 15:56

@BiFoldChampion I knew a neighbour of Mr Johnson before he was Prime Minister. What I was told at the time I will not repeat as I would fear for the neighbour, given the Darius Guppy conversation, to coin a phrase.

BloodyHellKen · 06/07/2022 15:58

JudgeRindersMinder · 06/07/2022 15:15

He’s a narcissist. Look it up in the dictionary and there’s a photo of him!

😂👏

RudsyFarmer · 06/07/2022 15:59

I think he’s just got a huge ego or maybe he’ll earn more by being pushed instead of resigning.

Iliada · 06/07/2022 16:01

This afternoon, when asked whether he met ex-KGB spy Alexander Lebedev without informing security officials when he was Foreign Secretary he replies: "I probably did."

So he’s been meeting with a ‘former’ Russian spy in secret and then made their son a Lord.

But sure, he’s looking out for the welfare of the country. Sure.

BloodyHellKen · 06/07/2022 16:03

DogInATent · 06/07/2022 15:49

Presumably he knows how many children he's got, which no one else is clear on.

I guess he knows the identity of the Conservative MP accused of serious sexual assault and instructed to stay away from Parliament.

He probably also knows the truth about the Canadian hairdresser and the super-injunction.

But he's clinging on because he's got nothing else and he's a self-centred narcissist and sociopath.

Hang on, Johnson has/had a hairdresser. 😂
She must have been rubbish at her job!!

HannahSternDefoe · 06/07/2022 16:05

JohannSebastianBach · 06/07/2022 15:56

🤣

I worked with a misogynistic arsehole who once boasted he didn't know or care how many kids he had.
Maybe they were related?

Costacoffeeplease · 06/07/2022 16:05

Maybe check how the House of Commons and Conservative party work before posting next time op?

HannahSternDefoe · 06/07/2022 16:06

BloodyHellKen · 06/07/2022 16:03

Hang on, Johnson has/had a hairdresser. 😂
She must have been rubbish at her job!!

How much does Boris pay for a blow dry? 🤔
bloody autocorrect

NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2022 16:09

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 15:15

Because he can and, as is being discussed elsewhere here, the rush to change the law to force him into another VONC will have long reaching consequences.

A group of unelected people with untrammeled power to remove a PM?

I bet Sturgeon would leap upon the chance to finagle it into a referendum, until she gets the right answer.

And many other things that would change the nature of politics in the UK/GB

It's not the bloody law they're changing (potentially). It's their internal rules. Slightly different.

Anyway, even if it was the law, who set the precedent for such sneaky behaviour?! 🤔🤔🤔

ClaudiusTheGod · 06/07/2022 16:09

@BiFoldChampion “out of possible concern for the country”

hahahahaha what are you on about??

LillyDeValley · 06/07/2022 16:11

Nope don't think he knows anything we don't.

He is fairly credited with the Tories huge win in 2019, but this has blinded him the fact the Tory party won't do, what they always do, ruthlessly get rid of leaders when they consider their time is up.

BiFoldChampion · 06/07/2022 16:12

Costacoffeeplease · 06/07/2022 16:05

Maybe check how the House of Commons and Conservative party work before posting next time op?

nice

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