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Am I naive to think Boris PM knows something we don’t know?

299 replies

BiFoldChampion · 06/07/2022 15:10

Exactly that! The man is being shamed, people are resigning left right and centre (no pun intended). Am I thinking Boris out of possible concern for the country knows something we don’t know and wonders if he is actually the best of a bad bunch?

or is he so egotistical, so consumed by his own worth that he actually hasn’t got a clue!

I’m trying to work out why he’s clinging on for dear life!

OP posts:
LizzieSiddal · 06/07/2022 18:18

Having just watched the whole of the committee session, I think he’s in need of serious psychiatric help. He’s deluded and appears to be living in a different world to everyone else.

goldfinchonthelawn · 06/07/2022 18:19

BJ doesn't give a stuff about the country. he has only ever wanted power and glory and fame for Himself. He is about as narcissistic and sociopathic as anyone can be. He'll hang on by his stubby fingernails. I would love to see him resign tonight but I suspect he won't.

wandawhy · 06/07/2022 18:20

The 1922 Committee will NOT change the rules.
A new Committee will be elected and it can make up it's own mind. That will all be thinking about the Pincher affair and 36 resignations whereas the outgoing one did not know so much at the time of the last Vote of confidence.

Baggyeye · 06/07/2022 18:21

They've just had a pro-Johnson member of the public on BBC news saying 'I can't see anybody else looking after the country like Boris has'

Let's hope not!

WatchoRulo · 06/07/2022 18:27

BiFoldChampion · 06/07/2022 15:13

I’m trying to work out why he’s holding on!

It's the one where he's a narcissistic cunt, not the one where he ever gave a flying fuck about anyone else.

WeAreBob · 06/07/2022 18:28

Baggyeye · 06/07/2022 18:21

They've just had a pro-Johnson member of the public on BBC news saying 'I can't see anybody else looking after the country like Boris has'

Let's hope not!

Do BBC need to find people like that to speak because they're meant to he impartial?
It's been a whole day of MPs putting out resignations letters which basically say that Johnson is shit. Maybe they need to find some cheerleader to come speak?

WatchoRulo · 06/07/2022 18:33

Baggyeye · 06/07/2022 18:13

What's disgusting is that Johnson has been acting like this forever for months since pre-partygate and the rest of his party have only just realised this about his character 🙄

Grant Shapps AKA Michael Green has gone in to tell him to go

They have always known what he's like and not cared - now he's threatening their chances of getting re-elected so they care about that - not anything esle.

SandAndSea · 06/07/2022 18:34

I'm quite sure that there's loads going on behind the scenes which we don't know.

I also think it's interesting that Sunak & Javid are linked to the WEF.

Prescottdanni123 · 06/07/2022 18:36

If he is the best of a bad bunch then God help us. Because even if he manages to hold on after this, he won't be given another term.

WatchoRulo · 06/07/2022 18:36

WeAreBob · 06/07/2022 18:28

Do BBC need to find people like that to speak because they're meant to he impartial?
It's been a whole day of MPs putting out resignations letters which basically say that Johnson is shit. Maybe they need to find some cheerleader to come speak?

BBC had Michael Fabricant (Tory MP) on radio 4 earlier damning Boris with faint praise. If that's all that's left, Boris is toast.

FridayiminlovewithRobertSmith · 06/07/2022 18:36

He is clinging on in disgrace. There is no possible policy or principled reason that would justify him staying. There is no precedent for a prime minister doing so and he has broken with all the conventions of democratic legitimacy which will be hugely damaging unless we legislate going forward. He is totally bankrupt and I agree with everyone saying sociopath and narcissist.

Its come up a few times on the thread so worth saying we don’t have a presidential system. We vote for parties and leaders are a matter for them within their own rules. There is no moral or legal mandate from the people for him personally. There’s no legal prohibition on the 1922 committee changing its own rules around leadership and there’s nothing underhand about it. It’s evidence of a functioning democracy.

bellocchild · 06/07/2022 18:38

"Personally I'm looking forward to seeing him being dragged out of No. 10. I don't know how else they're going to get rid."

All a bit too close to D Trump...

DogInATent · 06/07/2022 18:40

"How joyous that the end of Johnson is going to come from a bunch of Tory MPs changing the rules to get a second vote because they didn't like the result of the first one."
via Twitter

Am I naive to think Boris PM knows something we don’t know?
Jellykat · 06/07/2022 18:42

I never in a million years thought i'd say this, but Javids personal statement was spot on today.. unfortunately Johnson will have to be dragged out kicking and screaming, he seems to be under the illusion that battling on shows 'strength of character', and bugger anything else.

Kennykenkencat · 06/07/2022 18:46

Probably waiting for the right job offer.

theworldhas · 06/07/2022 18:50

I think the OP isn’t as far off as some imagine.
Everything people say about Johnson is true: a lazy fairly incompetent narcissist who cares only for himself (even to the extent of hanging the country through Brexit which he never really believed in but it got him the top job). A man who got where he is through his dad being rich and knowing the right people. It’s all true.

HOWEVER, the damage of Brexit is already done as is the hit to the country’s reputation. Politically, socially and economically, Boris Johnson isn’t that far off the majority of voters - particularly in England. But if you look at the wider Tory Party today, with the likes of Mogg, Patel, Gove etc it mostly resembles some kind of of weird ultra right populist Brexit nutter party. If the Daily Mail had 24 hours to design its ideal political party it would look almost identical.

Whoever replaces Johnson will almost certainly be less liberal than Johnson and considerably further to the right economically. The damage to the country CAN get worse, even worse, inequality can get worse, public services can get worse for another two years until/if we get a new government at a general election. You think it’s right wing now? Just wait for the next leader.

DogInATent · 06/07/2022 18:51

NotMyDust · 06/07/2022 16:37

I heard earlier he told a colleague it would take a water cannon to get him out of Number 10.

I'd quite like to see that 😃

It was a tank division, to which James Blunt made the perfect reply..

twitter.com/JamesBlunt/status/1490785719664664576

theworldhas · 06/07/2022 18:53

I admit I’m a Labour supporter. As an individual I think Johnson is on the level of a sewer rat, the lowest of the low. But if I HAD to choose a leading Tory to control the political overall direction of the country for two years until I can vote for Keir Starmer, I genuinely believe he’s the best - the most harmless - of an absolutely terrible bunch.

Fenella123 · 06/07/2022 18:55

Sajid Javid clearly drafted a list of
"Johnson's MANY MANY weaknesses"
and then wrote a speech to show how he is the exact opposite!
I wonder if there's a picture of his rough notes anywhere...

concernedrepurplehouse · 06/07/2022 18:56

To impress Jodie Foster?

WeAreBob · 06/07/2022 18:57

theworldhas · 06/07/2022 18:50

I think the OP isn’t as far off as some imagine.
Everything people say about Johnson is true: a lazy fairly incompetent narcissist who cares only for himself (even to the extent of hanging the country through Brexit which he never really believed in but it got him the top job). A man who got where he is through his dad being rich and knowing the right people. It’s all true.

HOWEVER, the damage of Brexit is already done as is the hit to the country’s reputation. Politically, socially and economically, Boris Johnson isn’t that far off the majority of voters - particularly in England. But if you look at the wider Tory Party today, with the likes of Mogg, Patel, Gove etc it mostly resembles some kind of of weird ultra right populist Brexit nutter party. If the Daily Mail had 24 hours to design its ideal political party it would look almost identical.

Whoever replaces Johnson will almost certainly be less liberal than Johnson and considerably further to the right economically. The damage to the country CAN get worse, even worse, inequality can get worse, public services can get worse for another two years until/if we get a new government at a general election. You think it’s right wing now? Just wait for the next leader.

If Boris walked out to the podium at number 10 and said that, people might actually go, "Aye, he's right there actually."

He could chuck the whole damn party under the bus to buy himself some time and guarantee no one votes Tory again.

FridayiminlovewithRobertSmith · 06/07/2022 18:57

DogInATent · 06/07/2022 18:51

It was a tank division, to which James Blunt made the perfect reply..

twitter.com/JamesBlunt/status/1490785719664664576

LOVE IT.

Jellykat · 06/07/2022 18:57

The only thing that terrifies me is who would replace him? ..Patel, Gove, Shapps?
< shudders >

FridayiminlovewithRobertSmith · 06/07/2022 18:59

SandAndSea · 06/07/2022 18:34

I'm quite sure that there's loads going on behind the scenes which we don't know.

I also think it's interesting that Sunak & Javid are linked to the WEF.

What is it you think the world economic forum does?What are you trying to imply?

11Hawkins · 06/07/2022 18:59

Jellykat · 06/07/2022 18:57

The only thing that terrifies me is who would replace him? ..Patel, Gove, Shapps?
< shudders >

Long as it's not Jacob Rees-mogg. That man just sees figures not people. shudders

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