To be delighted Maya Forstater won her employment tribunal.

[Norma27]

Maya Forstater WON. We should all breathe a sigh of relief. And organisations hr departments need to ensure they no longer discriminate for recognising biological reality. What a brilliant day for women.

Ah, so as well as not being particularly clever, you're a goady OP who started an echo chamber

Oh I'm a TRA now? am I still a MRA or do you just struggle with spelling?

Your first post to me was calling me an MRA so you started it. You're a delicate wee soul really. I'm sure Maya will admire your loyalty, she seems the type of person who gives a shit about anyone else.

You don't actually give these views IRL, do you?

eh, yes.

The trans side will win. And people like you almost make me feel hopeful they do.

And there we have it. It’s about winning and losing not compromise.

Conflating transsexuals and transvestites under the umbrella term transgender has caused a lot of the current issues. If you want to be non-conforming in the way you dress it only reinforces the gender stereotypes by saying you are the opposite gender.

*Not the point.

My issue is not with her views.*

So you think it's a good thing that we all now have the right to point out that biological sex is immutable without being harassed or sacked...

But you just have an issue with the way she said it?

I said TRA/MRA actually @beautyisthefaceisee.
I am very well educated too actually. With a fantastic job. Would you like to rage about that too?

O seems to think I capitulate to her.

I dont wish ill on her, I just don't want to clap for her and I certainly don't think shes brave

Oh i thought she just 'left a leaflet' on her desk, my arse.

"hatred of women" how boring. You should have the MN textbook.

No, I didn't say that. People can believe what they want.

I teach (OP will have a field day with that, bles her wee heart) and I'm not allowed to state that I vote for Nicola Sturgeon or that I'm an atheist or I'd lost my job.

But Maya can publicly humiliate people and that's to be celebrated.

And you'd feel like that if it was your son, or your daughter, would you? No. You wouldn't.

I couldn't give a shit about your job and education.

Doesn't make you a decent human being.

Oh TRA and MRA. Should I report you, that's two strikes. But you'll be OK with that, wont you? Perhas you could run to the papers and claim how big mean beauty didnt let you have your vitriolic opinion.

Anyway, I'm off. You've had enough attention.

Today's newspaper, tomorrow's chip wrappings...

Fantastic news. Not if you're an angry misogynist, obviously, but a brilliant result for the rest of us.

you really are in a rage aren’t you @beautyisthefaceisee
You were the one who tried to say that I was stupid. I’m just pointing out that I’m not.

Bye you big fat liar! (It's OK to call you a liar right? You just admitted you prefer not to tell the truth)

I missed who Maya 'publicly humiliated', could anyone fill me in?

Fantastic news!! This really is something to celebrate

But Maya can publicly humiliate people and that's to be celebrated.

Which specific people has Maya publicly humiliated and how?

I dont wish ill on her, I just don't want to clap for her and I certainly don't think shes brave

You literally said you hope she won't find a job so that's a lie.

"hatred of women" how boring. You should have the MN textbook.

I'll be more specific, you hate women who believe in material reality, that men can't become women based on notions of gender identity and you hate women who point out that women need spaces independent of males no matter what their gender identity is.

I mean, good luck to her, cause I'd say her chances of getting another job after going public wiht her vitriol is pretty slim.

Who do you think is going to want to hire her?

I hope it does impact on her future employability.

she'll be lucky to get a job stacking shelves

However much you would wish all this to be true, it really really isn't, @beautyisthefaceisee
Maya has plenty of job offers, as did Kathleen Stock.
Not everyone lives in your world.

And cursed are those who would rather live with a comforting lie than the painful truth...

They have been raging for days.

To be honest I think this really has triggered a mental health break.

All over a leaflet left on a desk. You couldn't make this shit up.

I respect that you believe that.

By today's legal findings, I am under no compulsion to conform to it as if it is the only possible acceptable truth.

Pluralist society. Intolerance of other beliefs including that sex remains an unchanging lifelong fact and matters in some situations, is not acceptable grounds to discriminate. That's all. It's a huge issue for females since we were being very firmly told that it was, but today's findings help a lot with the issues of equality of all and not just TQ+ people.

A lie can hide the truth but it can't change it.

Actually why would anyone be upset with today's verdict, I don't believe that a trans person has literally changed sex but I don't see why other people can't believe that if they want. There's lots of religious or political things as well I don't believe in. Can't imagine a world where everyone has exactly the same beliefs as I do.

It really is a good judgement. One of the key ways TRAs silenced women was by threatening to go after their employment, those days are over, at least in the UK..

I teach (OP will have a field day with that, bles her wee heart) and I'm not allowed to state that I vote for Nicola Sturgeon or that I'm an atheist or I'd lost my job
where on Earth do you teach that you couldn't say you are an atheist, Christian etc? I'd agree with the voting part (though you would not actually lose your job).

You'd complain about someone protecting and championing women's rights?

It's truly brilliant news today. Maya is a proper hero and I'm very grateful for her bravery.

Brava Maya. For your courage. Your committment to truth. Your resilience.

Thank you Maya! Your guts and determination are helping to ensure Britain remains a place where we can speak about women and the material reality of sex. Every victory like this helps ensure women retain legal protections and advocacy over our lives and bodies. America has shown that we can’t take any of this for granted.