Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

Have to disagree as my son was dismissed for doing virtually the same with an unblemished record. If the head wants to get rid of you he can use this to make a case for dismissal.

This is all true. But I'm not sure how it links to whether or not a situation involving possible breech of policy by a male teacher should be investigated?
Some posters have suggested that there is a lack of male teachers because of what they consider over zealous safeguarding. Your comment evidences that there is a lack of teachers due to a range of issues quite unconnected to safeguarding, so taking a more lax approach to child safety wouldn't solve the problem.

Gosh I still can’t believe that there are some people who are still supporting the teacher on this thread!
It is totally irrelevant whether he is/ isn’t a paedophile, that some posters are fine with him just coming in and switching on the light etc. as I have previously stated it is a SAFEGUARDING ISSUE and, if he had had proper training at school he should not have been doing it! He is naive and leaving himself open to all sorts of accusations. I say this as a teacher of over 30 years.

I have never seen a Safeguarding rule against a male teling 13yos to wake up.

@Kgiggl3s So are you saying that it is acceptable for a teacher of the opposite sex to go into a room and wake them up? Clearly your school’s INSET is as poor as this teacher’s!

Well, that's really a surprise because it's very explicit in all the training.

Have you seen a safeguarding rule about a male entering the single sex room of female pupils on an overnight trip?

If not you haven't read safeguarding rules from a residential school trip written in the last few years.

Thank fuck for that. The paranoia from some is ridiculous. Conspiracy theorists not welcome.

To quote Monty P this thread has become too silly.

People are just making things up. I hope MN issues a few bans to the paranoid.

Let's take this subject so serously we drop an unfounded allegation on Mumsnet for every paranoid bigot to have their say rather than have it properly investigated.

I don’t think it’s fair to insinuate this man is a pedophile. The best thing to do is speak to the school and ensure correct procedures are followed.

Who has done this?!

IMO, if the teacher did enter the girls’ dorm, it was entirely inappropriate and overstepping boundaries. My DD1 (13) is very concerned about her privacy and would have been very upset if a man had entered the dorm unexpectedly. I’m sure a lot of girls that age would feel the same.

Also, there was a fair chance that there would have been some of the girls in a state of undress, not in their pyjamas.

Regardless of his own intentions, he was opening himself up to girls accusing him of ‘perving’. And sadly, sometimes that’s completely true.

We obviously don’t know enough here to say whether the OP’s DD was telling the truth, or whether she was getting her own back because of the phone accusations from this teacher. Hence, I’m only addressing the question in the thread title.

@wellhelloitsme

Read the thread….You only have to read @Oceanus post.

Hi, I do think that just to safeguard himself he should have got a female teacher to do this....but ...maybe there was not one available. Also, all teachers are police checked, so I'm pretty sure that the girls were safe. I do understand why parents get very protective of their children - but being over-protective is not a good idea either. I'm sure that if this male teacher had touched one of the girls inappropriately then that would be worth reporting. But surely not this.

@politicalbabe

Hi, I do think that just to safeguard himself he should have got a female teacher to do this....but ...maybe there was not one available.

OP says in her first post

there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.

Hi okay - well he's not being sensible and opening himself up for criticism.

I'm sure that if this male teacher had touched one of the girls inappropriately then that would be worth reporting. But surely not this

Why is touching the bar? Shouldn't the bar be raised to not creating situations where said touching could happen?

Leaving it until Touching, requires the child to actually realise what was happening was wrong.

It relies on the kids having ro safeguard themselves by keeping quiet incase twh6 get into trouble and withdrawing themselves from.activities so it doesn't happen again.

The responsibility should be on the adults to make the kids safe.

Jesus Christ, chill out! It’s a room full of Girls not individual rooms?!

Cos you can’t just report everything! Poor teachers!

Cos you can’t just report everything! Poor teachers!

If a teacher is breaking safeguarding policies then reporting it is helping them so they can't be reminded of safeguarding protocol and not do it again, opening themselves up to further accusations.

Better to have it reported once and change their behaviour than to continue doing it and get in more trouble when it's reported and it comes to light they've broken guidelines multiple times.

Safeguarding is there to protect the adults involved as well as the children.

It may transpire that the teacher knocked and had no response and went in and called out to wake the girls up. Trying to get a group of teens up at 6:30 in the morning, isn’t easy. The female teacher may have been waking up other children, girls or boys so he was the only member of staff available.

Could those of you who say it’s perfectly normal for male teachers to walk into girls bedrooms when they are asleep please post the names of the schools where this happens/is not seen as a safeguarding issue?

particulatly the poster who said the male teachers were wandering into the girls bedrooms in the middle of the night to deal with noise.

Just so we know which schools to avoid.
thank you.

You can't report everything, but you should definitely report male teachers in teenage girls bedrooms.

People are just making things up. I hope MN issues a few bans to the paranoid

Aye. That's how MN works.

Try again. And maybe spend less time trying to defend a male teacher entering a room of sleeping girls. Because he's in the wrong, and anyone with a scrap of commons sense and normal boundaries can see that.

You lot, on the other hand...