Should a male teacher have done this?

[mycatisannoying]

During a residential school trip, enter a girls' shared dorm to wake them up?
To my mind it's a safeguarding issue, and there was also a female teacher on the trip who could have done it.
I wanted to seek others' opinions before raising it.
Thanks.

Smear him?

By asking for people's thoughts on an anonymous forum?

This thread has turned absolutely batshit.

Oh, piss off with your troll hunting. I'm sick of people like you who think you own this place. In truth, you just don't like that people are disagreeing with you and you want to shut down the debate. Typical on here.

Standard tactics from territorial posters are to gang up and insinuate that the poster they disagree with must be a man or alternatively that it's posters changing names or having created new accounts. Tbf, though, it's a new one to try and suggest that there's some kind of coordinated attack going on.

Troll hunting is against the rules so if anybody should be stopped posting it's you, as you've already broken the rules with several posts now. Doesn't matter how long you've been on here or how much you've posted. You have no more authority than anybody else to control the debate.

The problem tho is that the OP never said the male teacher walked into a dorm full of sleeping girls. She said "entered" the room but never answered further questions asking for clarification/context which included: Did he knock first, ask if it was safe to enter and after someone responded, poked his head into the room, or stepped in, to turn on the lights/reminded of time to be ready, then left? Or did he walk in unannounced then proceeded to hang around to perv? I notice that the OP seems to have left this thread after questions were also asked and ignored connected to a previous post about her 13 yr old dd's behaviour when she attempted to limit her dc's phone use.

Excuse me? You mean people who aren't raging transphobes I suppose.

A teacher asking pupils to secretly spy on another child and use a code work wreaks of “I don’t understand safeguarding procedure.” Ans no I would absolutely not be happy with that and would complain
that he pitted other children against her and took them into an inappropriate confidence. Is this normal practice at her school? I hope not. I’d ask. Do teachers at this schools regularly enlist children to spy on other children without their knowledge and report back??no teacher should be creating secret behaviour with any other children. And yes I think it’s reasonable to expect the male member of staff to stay well out of the girls bedroom as he is male.
hence the need for a girls bedroom.

This happened to my son, now a former teacher, almost identical and he was witch-hunted by the head and dismissed for ‘gross misconduct’ after a kangaroo court disciplinary conducted by and orchestrated by the head. Yes he was naïve but the head tried to paint him as a sexual predator and it was for just one transgression like the above. This remains on his record despite the Teaching Council clearing him to work as a teacher. This was a school career ending event for him. This teacher could face similar action as the law gives Heads and supine governing bodies a bullies charter over teachers, if the head is out to get them. I know because I was a headteacher. If the head is fair then this shouldn’t happen but many sadly are not. And people wonder why 40% of teachers leave in the first 5 years after they qualify???

Why is it a safeguarding issue. He’s a member of staff.

@notnownorma Shush now, it's past your bed time hun.

Yes, grooming often starts with keeping secrets!

Who is not acting appropriately

You safeguard children

You safeguard yourself AGAINST the children

You are NOT being unreasonable!

If a man won't enter teaching because he might be barred from going into a girl's dorm, he doesn't belong in teaching anyway. In fact, the bar should be high enough to keep SEXUAL PREDATORS, and PEDOPHILES out of the teaching profession.

You have every right to object to any man entering a girl's dorm while they are sleeping, ESPECIALLY if there are any female teachers who can perform the task.

@TheChosenTwo I totally relate to what you are saying and my heart and gratitude goes out to all teachers who do such a difficult and important job so well to look after our children. I know OP wasn’t having a pop at teachers, but I understand it must be discouraging to have to deal with this level of suspicion.

Yes, of course some teachers are child-abusers and some men are rapists and some GPs are like Harold Shipman, but they aren’t ALL like that. I am not a teacher but I know that they have enhanced criminal record checks when they apply for a job, do Level 3 child protection courses and know alot about safe-guarding. Teachers deal with child-abuse/safe-guarding issues every single day.

I’m not telling anyone not to look out for their own child or not to report concerns but just think it through carefully before making an allegation against a professional. Believe me - the child protection service take them extremely seriously and that teacher will be pulled over hot coals.

That’s why I think the OP did the right thing by posting so that she could garner a variety of opinions before acting. So dear OP - ask your child if she was touched inappropriately or paychologically abused or neglected. If the answer is yes, then you should report this to children and family social services. If the answer is no then maybe just have a friendly word with the headteacher about your concerns and leave it there.

Pissed off 13 year old exaggerate about their teachers every day to distract from what they have done wrong

Female child raises inappropriate male behaviour? She's lying.

Impressive.

With his safeguarding training I doubt very much that he entered that room

That would be laughable if this subject was in the least bit funny.

At no point did I insinuate that the poster they disagree with must be a man. I think you're bonkers, your gender, political affiliation, hair colour and/or sexual inclination are ALL irrelevant. The same way a female teacher patting a girl or a boy's bum, or tucking their hair behind the ear, wouldn't be appropriate (making that clear...).
A debate on any topic must be based on facts or logical inferences. We're debating what the OP said (period) not unicorns flying.
Main facts/logical inferences:

1. the event took place inside a bedroom (room where people sleep)
2. in a bedroom only for 13 y.o. girls
3. during wake up time - girls sleep in their pyjamas and then they wake up, after wake up they change into other clothes.
4. a male teacher was inside the bedroom, with young girls (w/ or w/o invitation/knock on the door is irrevelant)
5. said male teacher had a "codeword" with some of the girls; code word= secret word
6. secrets are often associated to grooming
7. a sensible male adult who is invited to enter the bedroom of young girls shouls say no.

Excuse me? You mean people who aren't raging transphobes I suppose

And another blow fails to land.

Because it's against basic safeguarding principles for teachers, both male and female.

No it’s not. Male teachers are allowed to supervise female pupils on school trips. What do you think happens in a girls school when you have a male teacher.

So, in theory, it's a safeguarding issue if a pupil's dad collects his daughter and a friend from gymnastics training etc? We have a male alone with two scantily clad teens, and an unvetted male at that.

What do you think happens in a girls school when you have a male teacher.
Teachers teach in a classroom, not in a bedroom. Kids don't wear pyjamas to schools do they?

@Threadkill @TruthHertz

There aren't safety guidelines for the general public, they are discretionary.

There are safety guidelines for teachers and these, to my knowledge, almost always include teachers of the opposite sex not entering single sex spaces where privacy and dignity can be reasonably expected e.g. girls dorm rooms, bathrooms etc unless in an emergency or if there is absolutely no other viable option.

Him doing so as an individual doesn't mean he is a predator. It means he isn't following basic safeguarding practice and that he therefore needs reminding of those practices and guidelines.

Male teachers are allowed to supervise female pupils on school trips. What do you think happens in a girls school when you have a male teacher.

Supervise, yes. Enter a single sex form or bathroom if there is any other option (including a female member of staff also on the trip) available.

I'm not making this up, this is pretty basic safeguarding designed to protect both the children and also the teacher.

Dads aren't allowed inside changing rooms. Children don't wear pyjamas to the gym. 😖

So, in theory, it's a safeguarding issue if a pupil's dad collects his daughter and a friend from gymnastics training etc?

Well, what does your common sense and experience of how life actually works tell you?

There aren't safety guidelines for the general public, they are discretionary.

I should have been clearer and more specific here, I mean that in cases where there isn't a single sex policy or other policy that prohibits men or women from doing something, safeguarding rules are discretionary.

Honestly some of you are absolutely nut jobs

whod be a teacher these days

get a fuckin grip and stop projecting

So, in theory, it's a safeguarding issue if a pupil's dad collects his daughter and a friend from gymnastics training etc? We have a male alone with two scantily clad teens, and an unvetted male at that.

Yes, it's a safeguarding issue if that man enters a single sex space where males aren't allowed.

I don't think all men are rapists or predators. Men still aren't allowed in women's public, shared bathrooms. Because of safeguarding measures put in place to protect women. Same applies when the females are children.

A man not adhering to these safeguarding rules isn't automatically a predator or rapist or sex offender. But he is breaking safeguarding rules.

If you think this is wrong, do you think that women's bathrooms and men's bathrooms all be done away with and mixed sex bathrooms be the only ones available?