Sick of the push for Scottish independence

[ThisKiltIsMadeForWalking]

I keep seeing on the news that Nicola Sturgeon is pushing for another referendum and I just don’t get it. If she doesn’t get the answer she wants this time can she push for another in a few years? I just find it disgusting that half the country are struggling badly for things like food/electricity/petrol and she wants to spend millions pushing for something that she wants, that the majority voted against a few years ago? Am I missing something?

Things have changed quite significantly under the Johnson administration. He is slowly destroying much of the economy and rights we have. If I was Scottish I would now vote for independence was previously I wouldn't have.

Scot in Scotland here and Like many many others I’m sick to the back teeth of it. It’s a bloody smokescreen for the absolute shitshow that is the Scottish government, and right now, tone bloody deaf given the state of the country

Do you really think they are worse than the current Tories? If so how?

I actually want independence but I’m no big snp / current govt fan. I think independence is the only way to end of the snp stranglehold which isn’t good for government. We need good opposition to hold the govt to account. Scottish Labour need to completely regroup as do the Lib Dems and actually do their job.

The UK government could easily put a stop to it. They are allegedly the party of Unionists, though the EU Brexit deal sold Northern Ireland down the river.

Previously voted for independence, I wouldn't now. Once in a generation eh? Can't stand the SNP, their priorities are all wrong and their policies are soundbites. How do we think Scotland as an independent country would have handled the vaccine rollout or funded furlough? We'd have had no chance.

They have control over most of Scotland, most is devolved. Everything devolved, has gone to shit since snp took over. You can deny that all you want, you can look blindly at the fact that our education system is in tatters, our nhs is atrocious, they are cutting funding to our police again (yet it's their fault nothing is done), they cut council services and yet increase council tax. We pay more tax from our jobs than the rest of the UK and yet our country is shit. Because of them. They frequently 'lose' money too. They cut public transport yet preach about helping the environment. They fuck up every project they touch, ferries anyone?

Tories are no better, but snp are not some angelic party either. They fuck up frequently too, they are more like the Tories than they'd like to believe. I'm not betting on then being 'better', because they've proven so far that they aren't. They are shite.

Serves Nicola right if she gets another referendum, which will deliver the terminal come- uppance her govt richly deserves.

The deals with Trump. The Ferries fiasco. Education. Gender politics and exploitation. Well done SNP, thanks to your performance so far you won't stand a chance in hell and it's all your own handiwork.

I’m looking at the bigger long term picture…I’m absolutely not a fan of the current WM govt, but this isn’t a basis for independence

closing the attainment gap - oops, sorry, not happening
ferries - shitshow
new hospitals - not fit for purpose/actually literally killing people
govt run trains - on a reduced service for who knows how long

The SNP are tremendously good at focusing on niche issues that give them good PR to go and shout about but everything else…🤷‍♀️. And as others have said - where exactly is all the money going to come from? Not oil.

Its just going to be another two years of divisive rhetoric and I hate it.

Once in a generation my arse.

It’s completely the wrong time ,regardless of what side you are on

So much for once in a generation
I think the answer would be another NO
So maybe we should have another vote to get rid of it once and for all

I'm sure that there are many, many Scottish people who are equally sick of the fact that they are being ruled and having rules applied to them from Westminster and would desperately want independence from England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I do wonder, if a referendum on Scottish Independence was to be called tomorrow, how many would change the way they voted from the last time? How many would say Yes to independence?

Live in the borders. Everyone is heartily sick of it. She's only banging on about it to distract from her failures elsewhere. Everyone I know would vote no again.

We had a democratic vote. She needs to stfu.

I voted Yes last time, but I don't think now is the right time to hold another one.

I'm also less likely to vote Yes. We're living through a less optimistic time globally, both financially and politically.

My job (remote) is in England. Some of my family and friends live there. Brexit was a disaster and this might not be much better.

I thought the main reason was that when they had the last referendum the UK was still part of the EU, so it's a very different proposition following Brexit

It's called democracy. Many people in England and Wales didn't vote for this government either. Don't hear them whinging though.

I didn't vote for snp, can we get them out please because they offend me with their stupidity? I demand it, I don't want to be ruled by them, they are useless. But that's fine right, because it's what you want? Democracy is fine when it suits you..

The fact is that the SNP stood on a manifesto to deliver another referendum, and they positively strolled into government. Like it or not there is a mandate to do it.

If the tories/labour/whoever are so confident that Scotland doesn't want independence, they would embrace the opportunity to put it to bed.

This is the thing.

The tories do not give a single fuck about Scotland. They haven't come close to winning an election in Scotland for decades so it's pretty easy to grasp why people with a fundamental dislike of the tories would be pro-independence.

Yes this

On MN the verdict always seems to be that the SNP are shite and no one wants independence, but the SNP hold 80% of the Scottish seats in Westminster so....?

Do you think she actually wants to win?

They seem to be in a very enviable position right now. Anything goes right, they take the credit. Something goes wrong? Blame the Nasty Tories/Westminster/The English (delete as applicable), or promise "it would be better if we were independent".

If somehow, this years once in a generation vote went their way, they'd have absolutely nowhere to hide. Do they really want this?

Not in Scotland, but a lot of people there were sold No in 2014 because it was the only way of staying in the EU. They were sold a pack of lies.

I think it's Sturgeons goal to continue until people get fed up and give in to her.

SNP are terrible, OH who is Scottish often refers to them as tartan tories.

People voting snp doesn't mean they want independence. Snp made that mistake last time. After the failure there, another election was held and they lost a fair few seats, including salmonds, and sturgeons right hand man, Angus Robertson. That hurt them a lot and they hid away with their tail between their legs, now they need to divert attention away from how shit they are.

People who vote no are getting louder about it. I think if she actually held it now, she'd get one hell of a shock and lose worse than salmond. At least then we'd hopefully get rid of her as she'd hopefully resign in humiliation. Wonder what stories would come out about her then..

I voted no on the once in a lifetime vote and would vote No again. Ime the majority of the yes voters are ruled by their heart and not their brain.

if a referendum on Scottish Independence was to be called tomorrow, how many would change the way they voted from the last time?

I've gone from Yes to No.