Sick of the push for Scottish independence

[ThisKiltIsMadeForWalking]

I keep seeing on the news that Nicola Sturgeon is pushing for another referendum and I just don’t get it. If she doesn’t get the answer she wants this time can she push for another in a few years? I just find it disgusting that half the country are struggling badly for things like food/electricity/petrol and she wants to spend millions pushing for something that she wants, that the majority voted against a few years ago? Am I missing something?

Yep me too

We will get our country (Scotland) off them when we vote for independence. Until then we will never be able to choose our own government but will be left with whatever the rest of r uk wants.

do they realise that IF independence happens (and I hope and pray not) she and her fellow brave hearts will fuck off to the far side of fuck, because as their running of Scotland shows, they are a 1 trick pony and have no interest in governing an independent country!

I actually believe that Sturgeon doesn’t really want independence to actually happen because she will instantly become irrelevant

Yes for independence doesn't meant we have to have SNP forever!

What difference does the “EU mindset” make to paper work?

It's likely that in a post independence Scotland the SNP will no longer dominate as they currently do.

The SNP undeniably have a mandate to hold another independence referendum. Stating that does not make a person actually pro-independence or indeed a fan of the SNP.

Well that makes sense that everyone you know would vote that way, same as most of my circle would vote yes. I know multiple no voters now voting yes as well. We tend to spend time with those like us.

She doesn't need to 'stfu' - she has the mandate and now must carry it forward.

I think Scotland has as much right to take back control as the UK/ England.

As an English person living in England I agree with that. But I didn't realise the push for another Ref in Scotland was such a prominent thing in Scottish life. Surely focussing on the cost of living crisis etc. should be the SNP's priority.

'It's an undeniable fact that a huge part of the no to indy campaign was that it was the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU, which there was as is now a huge majority of people in favour of.'

True but I know of SNP supporters who voted for Brexit because they wanted to be 'free' of the UK and the EU.
They were at least consistent, unlike official SNP policy to leave the 300+year old UK Union in the hope they could join the EU at some point.
I was also consistent. I wanted to stay in the UK and in the EU. I have accepted the democratic result of the official votes in both cases and I am not trying to overturn either, even though I won one and lost one.

To be fair, villagewaspbyke does quite a good job of putting people off Scottish independence by insulting every Scot that disagrees with her/them.

Most of the Scottish countryside and therefore the geographical area of Scotland is anti-independence. Perhaps Dundee and Glasgow could be little independent Scottish enclaves? SNP is working hard to little effect in Shetland and Orkney but since they have done a rapid about turn with regards to oil in order to keep the Greens happy, who knows what could come next?

It will probably eradicate them, which is what many of us indy voters want. I am not pro SNP. Hated Salmond, dislike Sturgeon, but want to live in a fair egalitarian country, the UK will never be that and so we must try.

It’s absolutely relentless.

Without full fiscal powers how can they focus on the cost of living crisis?

I don't think now is the time for a further massive economic shock, fundamentally.

Also the SNP will gerrymander to make sure they stay in power post indy - that's what politicians do, it's like asking a dog to ignore a bone to get them not to stack the decks in their favour.

Bullshit. They needed the Greens to form a majority and they and the Greens between them received less than 50% of the combined vote. No mandate.

It's amazing how many of the pro-SNP posters here are ignoring the fact that Scotland has had devolved powers for many years and that the SNP is choosing to not even use the full powers it has.
Even if you really want it, it is not affordable on the tax-take from Scotland alone. The Barnett formula plus devolution is what allows Scotland to make different policy choices (e.g. free University fees) whilst benefitting from the contribution of taxpayers from all over the UK.
If you offered Sturgeon an option to try surviving with no Barnett formula funds first as a viability test, she would refuse.

There are only two regions of the UK that earn more in taxes than they spend - London and the South East of England. Scotland gets part of that excess money as it is part of the UK, same as Wales, N Ireland, NE of England etc get their share too. It’s how the UK works, sharing out the excessive money earned by London. Scotland is no more thought of as a parasite than any of these other areas of the UK. So please, get the chip off your shoulder.

We bailed a few months ago because we were so sick of the relentlessness of it all (sadly, that's three No votes lost from the next referendum but we'd had enough).

Scotland leaving the UK will be a far bigger shit show (for Scotland) than the UK leaving the EU. When the SNP and independence supporters talk about Scotland's huge export markets, they always fail to mention that over 60% of that 'export' market is actually the rest of the UK. No straight answers as to what will happen to cross border trade, especially if (and it's quite an if) Scotland are successful in rejoining the EU and have to abide by EU trade rules.

Not spending fucking millions on a neverendum when people are having to rely on food banks would be a good start to show they can be trusted with money.
Bearing in mind we already pay higher income tax in Scotland I’m not minded for them to have full fiscal control

It does mean your stuck with whatever divorce settlement they argue however which will include higher taxes (as how else is it going to be paid for.....SNP want to move away from oil and gas so can't really fund it that way) a hard border with England which will make cost of food and everything else rise, a pension and mortgage hell and not to mention a unknown currency!

Given their track record with ferry deals, wasted money trying to prosecute rangers, court battles, a app for covid passes which is now 4 times the cost do you really want them to be arguing a divorce which includes a land border????

I'm English living in Scotland for 12+ years the majority of my adult life.
Do I want another referendum where I get hurled abuse at simply for my accent? NO!

Time to stop wasting money and sort out the shit show mess they have created with the things they already are in charge of!

I also don't trust their maths given the 14 billion black hole they are currently in with taxes because they overcooked just how many people actually work in Scotland!!!!

How do you know we're all pro SNP? I'm pro independence but I don't always vote for them, no. There are supporters in other parties.

I voted No last time but would vote Yes in a heartbeat now. In fundamental terms I'm an airy fairy liberal and believe that we're all equal as humans, should be removing borders and there should be no wealth or poverty. These things are more likely outside of the UK in its current state.

The reasons I previously voted No have been shat on from a great height by the people who campaigned for BT.

Do I live in a different country and watch a different media?
I don’t see relentless pushes for Indyref from pro-independence politicians and I don’t hear about it on tv in the papers that often either. I see a lot of Tories talk about it endlessly though.

I’m not an SNP voter and I don’t like Nicola Sturgeon but I have the maturity not to make ridiculous insults or call her names because I don’t like her politics. I do lose respect for anyones argument when they call her things like wee nippy or put her and her colleagues down as people.

That said I am very pro-independence. It’s not really for my future but it is for my kids and grandkids. They cannot be subjected to a lifetime of Westminster Tory rule and all the negative shit associate with brexit and the rise of fascism down south.

Once we have independence then we can vote for someone we’d like to govern an independent Scotland. That won’t be Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP.

Utter nonsense.

Why should that be their only priority (it is one of them as far as I can understand). They were elected promising to hold another independence referendum. Why should they go back on that?