Sick of the push for Scottish independence

[ThisKiltIsMadeForWalking]

I keep seeing on the news that Nicola Sturgeon is pushing for another referendum and I just don’t get it. If she doesn’t get the answer she wants this time can she push for another in a few years? I just find it disgusting that half the country are struggling badly for things like food/electricity/petrol and she wants to spend millions pushing for something that she wants, that the majority voted against a few years ago? Am I missing something?

It's like a child screaming for a sweetie when mum has said no already. App posted before I'd finished.

It was known at the time of the Referendum that Cameron's Government would also be offering the Brexit vote. I remember discussing both in online forums at the time and I was in fact a 'Remain' voter although I have accepted the Brexit result.

My dsis and her family think Nicola is the next messiah.
I don't live in Scotland and I'm not Scottish so I let them get on with it.

The Scottish government is elected on the basis of Additional Member Voting system. The only reason the scottish tories have as many seats as they do is the system is designed to make it incredibly hard for one party to win or even get close to an overall majority. Under FPTP they would have about half the number of seats they do

Surely Brexit just showed how dangerous voting on the promise of sunlit uplands is. The SNP’s own economic advisor states Scottish independence would be 10 times as damaging as independence. Who would vote for that?

yes the Tories are an absolute shit show just now, but they won’t be there for ever. We’ll get our country (the UK) off them eventually.

10 x as damaging as Brexit!

This is what many of our “partners” in the uk really think of us. Racist tropes about how we have “no money” and are parasites. We are better off out of that. It’s not our country and we are not treated as equals.

@tootiredtobother the EU is not an “unelected body”. It’s a super national organization controlled by its member states. It’s also not “making life difficult for England out of spite”.

Brexit is very clearly a disaster and only the most rabid of Farage fanboys now claims overwise.

Theres another discussion going on online about this where SNP fans are claiming that Scotland will "be invited to join the EU along with Ukraine and Moldova". It is truly a spectacle to behold that they are unaware that the EU is very keen on buffer states between it and Russia to reduce Russian power and influence but that Scotland lies thousands of miles in the other direction, bordered on 3 sides by an ocean and on the other by England. Ireland also provides plenty of celtic culture and holiday homes to alternative minded Germans to be going on with.

The Independence parties did so well in the Scottish government as the SNP defined the greens as the SNP’s 2nd list vote. The stats still show more votes for unionist parties.

I am Scottish , living in Scotland and utterly despair at the thought of another divisive Referendum that the country cannot afford .
And still no answers about how we would support ourselves without Barnett , currency etc .
Complete madness .

i have my opinion, you have yours

The partners in the UK don’t think of Scot’s as parasites. That’s just the heavy chip on your shoulder talking to you. Get over it!

Or alternatively it’s like a democratically elected government of Scotland attempting to deliver the referendum on independence that it had in its manifesto. The one the electorate voted in.

I wish people would stop saying it was a once in a lifetime / generation vote, that was never facts, it was a stupid thing that Salmond came out with to try and entice people to vote/try and make it exciting.
I dont vote snp, and wouldn't ever vote for independence, not that it's that great being part of the U.K either, but not many other options there.
I've met Sturgeon a few times, she is a friend of a friend, she does seem nice enough and believes passionately in scottish independence.

From: www.vox.com/2020/1/31/21083573/brexit-news-boris-johnson-timeline-eu-uk
'The big vote
In 2013, Britain’s then-Prime Minister David Cameron promised that if his Conservative Party won elections, he would hold a referendum on whether the UK should remain in the EU or leave. Cameron partly caved to pressure from the right flank of his party and the UK Independent Party (UKIP), the right-wing party that was peeling away some Conservative voters.

Cameron won, and kept his promise. The UK held the Brexit referendum on June 23, 2016. There were two choices: Leave (the EU) or Remain.'

Just checked my recall was correct. It was known the Tories would offer a Brexit Referendum at the time of the 2014 Referendum on Scottish Independence.

Scot in Scotland here, was promised in 2014 that voting No meant staying in EU. Well, well. I'll be voting for indy as will all of my friends and family, who were about 50/50 8 years ago. It's THE only way out of Tory hell for us now.

That’s the quote I linked. You’re kidding yourself if you think that’s not exactly what a great many of our r uk citizens think.

Also you’re peddling the “economic ruin without r uk nonsense too. So I think you know very well that’s not any sort of chip on my shoulder.

There’s a few people saying they ran with the mandate that they’d do another referendum. But this is my question, how many? If they get a no, can they call another in a couple of years? If they get a yes can they change their mind and do another? It cost so much last time so it’s frustrating to hear her pushing for another one

oh and husband and I have and export/import business and our customers are doing very well. Those that have got to grips with the extra paperwork involved are surging ahead.. It could all be easier without the EU mindset towards Britain.
EU does not want to see us prosper

is that you Boris Johnson? “Celtic culture and holiday homes for alternative minded Germans”! Lol

This one annoys me, were we really dragged out the EU against our will because the way I remember it almost just as many people in Scotland didn't bother to vote as voted to remain in the EU so really the only thing that one showed is a lot of Scotland didn't care.

And on that logic if Aberdeen for example voted no in the next referendum and everyone else voted yes would they get to stay in the UK cause we wouldn't want to drag them out of something against their will now.

Complete madness on the one hand - everything about losing your biggest trading partners and nearest neighbours, hard borders across farmyards , decades before we could join EU

Versus

Complete desperation with the power and money held in London, everything we have lost from Europe, different moral values

Yes you're missing everything. You think it's Nicola pushing for it? It's the people. They were voted in abs given the mandate. It's time.

Yes, we knew the referendum was coming but nobody expected Cameron et al to fuck it up as much as they did.

It's an undeniable fact that a huge part of the no to indy campaign was that it was the only way for Scotland to remain in the EU, which there was as is now a huge majority of people in favour of.