To think people these days are very entitled?

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I keep reading about people demanding high wages for jobs that require little or no skills or education. AIBU to think if you want more money than improve your skill set to get a higher paying job?

I've worked my fair share of shop and bar jobs, so I'm not putting people down who do these jobs. But when I wanted more money I did night courses (along side my shop work and looking after my kids) and used those qualifications to get an admin job which then led to promotions until I eventually worked my way up to a decent salary. It took years.

Demanding higher wages for jobs that are low paid because literally anyone could do them is an insult to people who have spent years in college to get a degree or years learning a trade or years working their way up the ladder.

Electricians, plumbers, lawyers, accountants etc are paid more because they have a certain skill set. Not just anyone can re-wire your house or defend you in court.

I just feel like people dont want to spend years putting time and effort into improving themselves, and that's fine but to then demand loads of money when they can't be arsed to put the effort in it takes to get a high paying job is the hight of entitlement.

Hold on a sec, OP may have phrased it badly, but she does have a point. Many people could better themselves. Not all, but most. Pumpertthepumper lists barriers, true the funded course may not now be available. If you are disabled many options may not be possible. But many could. Many could do an online course. For most there are ways round barriers.

Another Tory bot. Jog on OP. We see ya!

I agree that something needs to change when it comes to people working full time and still having to claim benefits.

When you get a couple both in f/t jobs and still claiming benefits then something has gone terribly wrong

Everything is already costing more and we're already in a spiral. This despite pay being stagnant across the lowest four pay deciles for 14 years. If keeping pay low really solved inflation you would think that a generation's worth of time doing so would have sorted it out.

Pay increases don't necessarily lead to inflation anyway. It depends how it's done. We have a massive productivity gap in the UK which is where we could usefully put any extra money generated. Instead of which we're printing money via quantitative easing, funnelling that back into further investments and taking it out again as profits for the people earmarked to receive profits. It's a busted model.

Paying the actual workers who generate these profits more won't solve everything but it will at least widen the flow, broaden consumer spending and give us a bit more scope to direct it towards elements that will improve productivity.

You sound like my dm who thinks we shouldn't get maternity leave because she didn't 🙄

My only issue is with employers wanting a PhD and ten years experience in a management role for a minimum wage job. Exaggerated obviously, but not that much 😂

Now I know you are full of

This is so simplistic. Sometimes those people working shelf stacking are dealing with mental health issues or have no academic ability at all. They may also be damaged from being raised in broken homes or come from backgrounds that have given them self-esteem that is zero. Not everyone can become a CEO.

Everyone should be entitled to a living wage and right now minimum wage jobs don’t reflect that, wages have been stagnant for years. Of course people are right to demand higher wages, not everyone is able to learn a skill set and can only do basic jobs but why does that mean they still have to suffer financially?

I am a nursery nurse, I have to be at least level 3 qualified to count in ratios, I did this course, self funded, working full time and caring for my own child. I also have two degrees. I get paid just over minimum wage, where do I fit in your ideas of deserving and undeserving?

hatethenewlook · Today 11:59
believe me your worth a million of these goady snobs that walk about our society.

Just to point out I work in child care. I have 3 a levels and a degree in early childhood education. My pay is barely above minimum wage. It is the pay that is wrong.

So all these 'entitled' people who were the key workers?!

If they didn't do the job then who would?!

Some people work full time and still need benefits to survive.
When you look down on a shelf stacker or delivery driver, think where we'd be without them, and consider that surely they should be able to live in comfort?
Or is that too entitled?

You think care and nursery work is unskilled?

Care work to do well is highly skilled but very low-paid.

Have we found out which jobs you mean yet OP?

It's not entitled to expect to be paid a decent wage for the job you do. It's not entitled to expect to be able to eat, heat your house and clothe your kids. You attitude sucks. Where have you been reading about all these jobs, OP - would it be the Daily Mail?

20 years ago, my Nan worked in a children’s home and was paid £20k ish a year. She earned more by doing overnight shifts.
She bought a house for £65k. Her utility bills and food probably came to less than £300 per month.

Now, starting that same job, the wage is still £20k but you need a degree and there is no extra pay for overnight shifts. To buy her house, she’d need £300k. Utilities and food at least £600 per month.

My degree isn’t in maths but even I can see that is fucked.

And what happens when they’ve all been bullied (by shockingly low wages) into ‘bettering themselves?’ Who does these jobs that don’t deserve a living wage then? When you’ve done one of those magical ‘online courses’ that qualifies you for a really good job then who stacks the shelves and sweeps the streets? Who does all that when it’s so easy to pop on the computer and do an online course that gives you a living wage job?

Everyone who works should be paid a living wage.

I know, and I also know people that have very good qualifications but have not been able to get a job in that field because the number of applicants outstrip the vacancy.
I was more on about pay then qualifications here.

And outside of stacking shelves who looks after the children of all these clever online course better people? You know those of us in nursery work are leaving in droves because you get better wages and hours at Tesco. How will all the people deserving of a living wage make it to their work when there’s nobody to care for their children or elderly relatives because they’re all out ‘bettering themselves?’

Exactly.

People who have been severely traumatised should not be castigated by the likes of you for not 'trying harder'. Some of them deserve huge credit for having even got a job.

If everyone 'betters' themselves, who will do the essential jobs you look down on so much?

The truth is, the actual evidence is that countries that are more equal have much happier inhabitants as a whole.

I don't want to see people who are doing decent, difficult jobs with long hours struggling with having to claim benefits on top when they simply deserve a living wage. And if it means Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage or Rees Mogg cash in a few less dividends that they probably avoid tax on then tough on them.

I think you speak from a privileged position OP. My parents and sibling left school with no qualifications, I have a master's degree.

It's unbelievably hard to make that transition. I very nearly didn't complete my A levels because I was forced into caring for my grandparents, I very nearly didn't finish university because I had no money and was also paying my parents rent. I was completely overwhelmed by rental contracts (having no-one to ask how it works) and fully expected to leave school at 16 and become a cleaner (which would have made me happy if not poorly paid).

I do not look at my parents and think why didn't you just work harder, I look at them and think they did the best they could with what was available to them. I worked hard to move myself out of NMW work through education not because I wanted money but because the scars of growing up in poverty were so deep that I couldn't bare the thought of living through it as an adult. A large percentage of climbers I would guess are climbing out of fear, not happy plucky British aspiration. That fear is not a sign of a society that is working well.

Also many people go to university or do apprenticeships or vocational courses and more often than not, they can't find the skilled high paid job they were training for. So they work 'unskilled' jobs. Or they could sign on whilst waiting for their dream job- can't win either way.

Yes. Who wants people with no skills or knowledge looking after their elderly parents or their young children?