To think people these days are very entitled?

[Poptart4]

I keep reading about people demanding high wages for jobs that require little or no skills or education. AIBU to think if you want more money than improve your skill set to get a higher paying job?

I've worked my fair share of shop and bar jobs, so I'm not putting people down who do these jobs. But when I wanted more money I did night courses (along side my shop work and looking after my kids) and used those qualifications to get an admin job which then led to promotions until I eventually worked my way up to a decent salary. It took years.

Demanding higher wages for jobs that are low paid because literally anyone could do them is an insult to people who have spent years in college to get a degree or years learning a trade or years working their way up the ladder.

Electricians, plumbers, lawyers, accountants etc are paid more because they have a certain skill set. Not just anyone can re-wire your house or defend you in court.

I just feel like people dont want to spend years putting time and effort into improving themselves, and that's fine but to then demand loads of money when they can't be arsed to put the effort in it takes to get a high paying job is the hight of entitlement.

I thought that one of the benefits of Brexit was supposed to be a rise in wages thanks to foreigners who undercut British people leaving ?

No-one should be working for poor wages in this country. There are too many people who expect to have servants to cater to their every whim in exchange for a pittance.

Well yes that was the message wasn't it

But it turns out that if you expect what Brexit promised you are in fact entitled 🙄

Brexit has delivered significant wage rises to many people who have to be in a specific place outside the home to work. This has improved the lot of many who do not expect or want to WFH.
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who has received these pay rises out if interest?

Brexit has delivered significant wage rises to many people who have to be in a specific place outside the home to work.

I assume that the wage rises have not gone to the groups who are /going to strike. Have they gone to groups that are non-unionised?

I understand that a shortage of labour is going to cause wages to rise but wouldn't the government have anticipated strikes when employers didn't offer adequate pay rises ?

and shouldn't right wing pro-Brexit people be reassured that strikes and pay rises are part of the plan ?

Which people?

What do you view as a pittance though? Our cleaners get £15 an hour, the nanny gets £18 (plus paid for travel time and costs.) The handyman and gardeners are on more than £20.

This is pretty normal.

Does your cleaner actually get £15? It is normal to pay a firm money, but the cleaner to get minimum wage.

Or do you mean you are giving someone self-employed £15 an hour who has travel time between jobs, supplies cleaning products, advertises, has insurance, and pays an accountant?

@Poptart4 so who are these entitled people and what massive demands are they making?

Yes, as per my post, just above.

Why, how much do you pay?

People need to get used to cleaning their own house, cooking their food, looking after their own children and tending their own gardens.

Why? Why should anyone stop doing that?

To the vile, bitter people who have to resort to personal insults perhaps you should work on fixing what makes you so miserable instead of attacking strangers on the Internet.

But it's OK for you to do it. OK!

Why? Shouldn't people just pay a decent wage if they want these services? As they're having to at the moment due to the labour shortage, inflation and wage increases.

Pretty hard to look after your own children if you're also working... would you be OK with a surgeon operating on you while also entertaining their small children in the operating theatre? Or do you just think people with small children shouldn't work?

@FemmeNatal I do not have a cleaner. Your cleaner does not get £15 an hour salary then.

She does. One of her other clients who she does multiple days a week with takes care of the employment side for her on top of her wages. We pay her holiday pay too, but thanks for your ignorant input.

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Me, now paying over a thousand pounds a week in tax, so I'm helping a lot).as much in tax and NI as I was getting paid before Brexit. Lorry drivers, chefs, waiting and service staff, the taxi drivers who have switched to better paying jobs.

Those hoping for permanent WFH are voting for wage stagnation as bosses assume you're saving fortunes on fares and childcare - even if you get a free lift from someone else and have a DP who does school runs.

I had forgotten about lorry drivers. The rapid boost in their wages has been well documented. I also saw a thread on here about chefs.

I'd not heard about hospitality though. Is it posh places? I see chains advertising at £10 ish now which doesn't seem that high to me?

I've noticed the price of taxis go up but assumed that it was petrol prices.

Yeah that was who I was thinking you meant, basically thats who the op is complaining about and calling entitled because they are daring to ask for /be offered more than minimum wage for 'unskilled' jobs

Although my wfh job salary has gone up 62.5% over the last 2 years with payrises and salary increases through job moves and in our type of role the salaries are just increasing all the time even though they are wfh so im not sure you are entirely right there about the wage stagnation but i guess its job and industry specific and i think ours is a blip that will stop soon

Nursery workers, careers, shop workers, most commercial cleaners. Minimum wage. That’s about 9.50. When I was an apprentice (usually young girls taken advantage of and expected to work as full time/full responsibility staff) I made £2.80 an hour. Luckily as I was a single mum I did get benefits to help. Many of my colleagues still had to live at home.

Of course private nannies and other staff for wealthy families will be paid more. But the grand majority of parents in the UK don’t use private nannies - they use nurseries. Where the staff are paid less than you get at KFC.

Lorry drivers? Which companies have given their drivers a rapid boost? None of the drivers I know have received one, not even agency workers, although the press seem to like to insinuate drivers are being paid megabucks.
Tramping tends to pay more (although probably not as much as people think), but that's sleeping in a cab regularly and possibly spending hours waiting to be tipped at RDCs. The pay, in general, isn't enough for the work that needs to be done, hence so many drivers packing it in.