To think people these days are very entitled?

[Poptart4]

I keep reading about people demanding high wages for jobs that require little or no skills or education. AIBU to think if you want more money than improve your skill set to get a higher paying job?

I've worked my fair share of shop and bar jobs, so I'm not putting people down who do these jobs. But when I wanted more money I did night courses (along side my shop work and looking after my kids) and used those qualifications to get an admin job which then led to promotions until I eventually worked my way up to a decent salary. It took years.

Demanding higher wages for jobs that are low paid because literally anyone could do them is an insult to people who have spent years in college to get a degree or years learning a trade or years working their way up the ladder.

Electricians, plumbers, lawyers, accountants etc are paid more because they have a certain skill set. Not just anyone can re-wire your house or defend you in court.

I just feel like people dont want to spend years putting time and effort into improving themselves, and that's fine but to then demand loads of money when they can't be arsed to put the effort in it takes to get a high paying job is the hight of entitlement.

I keep reading about people demanding high wages for jobs that require little or no skills or education. AIBU to think if you want more money than improve your skill set to get a higher paying job?

Interesing that you don’t seem to rate on the job training or responsibility levels as deserving decent pay uplifts. Train drivers, for example, go through exhaustive training and routinely hold hundreds of lives on their hands.

Ditto unsociable hours, risk, dirty work. All these things deserve pay uplifts, but you can’t get college or university qualifications in them.

Doesn't pretty much every generation say this about the ones that come after them?

That’s a complete backtrack on what your whole post is about though. I do actually have a lot of qualifications as a carer, but a lot of people can walk into this type of job without any. According to you they’re ‘entitled’ for wanting more money? Caring is just one example. You have absolutely no idea what goes behind the scenes in the majority of ‘unskilled’ jobs. The people in jobs who are crying out for more wages are doing so for a reason, because they know they deserve more for what they’re doing. It’s not all about qualifications, and even if it was not everyone has the luxury of being able to get any. I was in care until I was thrown out a month before my 16th birthday. I had to leave school and ended up working in the hardest job I’ve ever had, waitressing for haven holidays for £4.25 an hour. Over one bank holiday weekend I had to work an 18 hour shift, then a 15 hour shift and then another 15 hour shift. Do yourself a favour and get your head out of your arse and have a little think about what some people go through in these minimum wage jobs.

There’s nothing snobbish about understanding that the best route to higher wages is to increase your skills and / or desirability to employers.

It’s infuriating to see posts from people working shelf-stacking who complain that they can’t afford a lovely house in the South East. Of course they can’t, but there was nothing stopping them learning a trade before starting a family.

I think its a great fantasy. Everyone will move up the ladder and become managers with no one under them to manage.

Aren’t you the one with four houses? Thanks for your input on the cost of living crisis and how it affects those on low incomes.

"Goady arsehole" was the exact same phrase as went through my mind! There are loads of poorly paid jobs that should be much better paid imo.

I have a friend who is a carer in a residential setting that has a very high proportion of residents with dementia. They do an amazing job, looking after people who are both very vulnerable and often very challenging. Staff are regularly bitten, punched, spat at and it's not uncommon for them to have shit thrown at them - literally.

They deal with shit, piss and blood on a regular basis. They manage stoma care, peg feeing, administer injections (friend was a phlebotomist), medication and monitor health conditions. They have to keep meticulous records, work long hours including nightshifts and weekend/BH working, are desperately short of staff (thanks, Brexit), and often cover for domestic, laundry and catering staff who are also in short supply.

She does all this while still managing to spend time chatting with the residents she cares for, because she cares about them.

She is paid a few pence over minimum wage, and could get more money on the checkout at Aldi. If she was paid 3 times the money she gets, she'd still be worth it.

Some of the most important jobs in society are also among the worst paid imo.

They can manage all of the outraged posters on here who think it’s unacceptable to expect them to gain some more valuable skills.

Remuneration normally boils down to the market forces of supply and demand.

If you have 10 highly qualified people for every 5 jobs, it will pay what the person accepting the lowest rate will take it on for.

The world doesn't really care how long somebody studied for something or 'did their time' - if the demand isn't there the pay won't be great.

Flip side is if you don't have enough people willing or able to do a job, the pay will need to increase to attract new entrants to that field. Or it doesn't and that area of the economy just declines.

People thinking like this just allows the rich to continue to take all the money and the poor to continue letting them.

Everyone who works deserve a decent house to live in. House prices have gone crazy, even us with a high wage can't afford to buy, not even a lovely house, just a normal house in the South East.

Also why are all the anger always pointed out at people who live on minimum wage, god forbid they complain about their living situation. People should be angry at the people at the top who hoard money and keep profiteering every year.

I don't think people want terrifically high pay.

Just enough that they don't have to claim benefits in order to pay rent when they're working full time.

Who defines what valuable is anyway? So cleaners or shop workers are not valuable? This society is fucked up.

What about nurses and other health service workers? None of them get paid enough for very valuable jobs

Carers?

Who is going to stack the shelves then if no one in the area can afford to live there and do that job? Because I bet you would be one of the first in the queue to complain if the supermarket shelves were bare due to a lack of staff.

Covid was a wake up call as to which jobs are critical in keeping the country moving, The supermarket staff you so obviously look down upon, kept on working throughout, and l havent heard of any supermarket staff complaining about wages or threatening to strike. The jobs you are referring to as so super important dont mean anything if people can't eat, simple as that.

The problem is if everyone got a pay rise then everything would just cost more and you get into a spiral

FWIW, Dd does have qualifications in teaching eca’s and 4 scraped through GCSES But then does a degree level job through agencies. What she does is common sense and talking to people rather needing to go to learn about things.

She is paid quite well but she also does put in 14 hour days and goes from one job to another and only comes home to eat and sleep and the back out again working.
She has a minimum amount she will work for and because she is good at her job and people don’t want to work unsocial hours she can get it.

I think this sort of stuff should be taught at school.
Find a few jobs you like then work out how to make the most money from them.

But it's not just the "low paid" unskilled, uneducated workers wanting more pay and better working conditions is it? Maybe they should all find "better paying" work. It's not like we need HCP's, care workers, teachers TA's, barristers, train staff, HGV drivers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, shop workers, delivery drivers, warehouse workers and all the other people who were deemed "key workers" back in the day.

Not really thought through your argument have you OP?

Amazon UK profits were 118.6 million pounds
Tesco uk profits 2.2 billion

Everything doesnt need to cost more, companies need to be less greedy.

As it stands minimum wage is impossible to live on in the uk, which means many workers for tesco and amazon are on universal credit/benefits. Which means the taxpayer is directly subsidising the profits of amazon and tesco, whilst they claim they can't pay their staff more or their customers will have to pay more...

“The Rich” are not a static group of people. 10% of workers in the UK, for example, will spend at least one year of their careers earning enough to put them in the top 1%.

We have a heavily progressive taxations system too, so the top 1% of earners who earn 14% of all wages pay 30% of all the become tax.

There is not some scheme to keep people down.

.Electricians, plumbers, lawyers, accountants etc are paid more because they have a certain skill set. Not just anyone can re-wire your house or defend you in court

I might not be qualified to rewire a house but I can do first fix and I know how to

I can replumb a house, again not qualified to do a boiler but I know where the pipe work goes and I have done all the letters for friends messy divorce to save her money (her solicitor looked over them)

A lot of stuff you don’t need qualifications to be able to know how to do them.

YABU

When, in any other period of time, would two teachers (for example) struggle to be able to pay for a basic standard of life? Rent/ mortgage, utilities, food, car, high street clothes, modest holiday, childcare etc. are all things households with two full time earners should easily be able to afford and yet they can’t.

I agree with you. How dare people doing low skilled jobs actually want enough money to be able to feed themselves and put a roof over their heads? Put them in workhouses (and charge heavily for the accommodation!) I say. Those uppity workers without whom the economy and society would not function, we should put them in their place for being so entitled.