To think people these days are very entitled?

[Poptart4]

I keep reading about people demanding high wages for jobs that require little or no skills or education. AIBU to think if you want more money than improve your skill set to get a higher paying job?

I've worked my fair share of shop and bar jobs, so I'm not putting people down who do these jobs. But when I wanted more money I did night courses (along side my shop work and looking after my kids) and used those qualifications to get an admin job which then led to promotions until I eventually worked my way up to a decent salary. It took years.

Demanding higher wages for jobs that are low paid because literally anyone could do them is an insult to people who have spent years in college to get a degree or years learning a trade or years working their way up the ladder.

Electricians, plumbers, lawyers, accountants etc are paid more because they have a certain skill set. Not just anyone can re-wire your house or defend you in court.

I just feel like people dont want to spend years putting time and effort into improving themselves, and that's fine but to then demand loads of money when they can't be arsed to put the effort in it takes to get a high paying job is the hight of entitlement.

Tradesmen go to college for years to learn their trade & many have to keep doing update courses as well as pay for memberships to stay in business.

I think wanting to have enough food to eat & to be able to turn on the heating when it's cold is not actually being entitled.
If all the cleaners, carers, shop workers etc... left to become tradespeople or white collar workers, who is going to do their work?
Society will fall apart without those people.
The pay they receive is simply not enough to live on in this society.

Yes, agreed. In addition some other poorly paid roles involve having to put up with rude and unpleasant behaviour on behalf of some of the public ( including possible physical assault)
Overall, just because a role is poorly paid doesn't mean it isn't hard work, or indeed very valuable to society, and in my opinion everyone should be paid enough to not live in poverty, pay their housing costs and live a healthy lifestyle.

Just because 'anyone can do them' doesn't make these jobs worth less pay. Why should a care worker be paid less, to me the job has more social 'worth', than higher paid jobs.

My local training centre did free courses in computers and administration for people in low paid jobs. I used the qualification I got from these to get a low level admin job and spent years working my way up the ladder.

Point is I wasn't happy in the low paid job so I worked my way out of it. Instead of moaning about how unfair the pay is, work your way out of it. If I can do it, anyone can.

Im alright Jack. Pull up the ladder.

And oh, the irony of you saying that others are entitled as you gaze down on the plebs toiling away for pennies from your ivory tower.

Who was looking after your kids at night though?

Which jobs do you ‘keep reading about’ people demanding higher wages for?

To be fair, someone needed to, but I wouldn't have stopped there

God some people are so entitled, expecting the government to fund their training courses and expecting other people to look after their kids.

I think everybody is entitled to a proper living wage, to heat their homes, put good food in their bellies and enjoy life , have a holiday and some treats whilst working full time at jobs the economy needs otherwise it falls down.

What we don't need is a government who feels entitled to cream off the top of the wealth an opportunity for themselves.

Is that what you mean @Poptart4 ?

Who funded the free courses?

Rishi sunaks wife received a 20 million pound dividend just for 1yrs return on her assets.

She claimed non dom and then lived at no11 Downing Street or in her Mansion in Yorkshire.

She does live in the uk, come on.

Why cant these people pay their fair share of tax? Why are minimum wahe workers struggling so much when at a rate of 40%, mrs sunak could have contributed 8million to nurses, carers etc this year? That still gives her 1,000,000 a MONTH to live on before then next 20 million pound dividend comes around next year...

She literally wins the lottery every month.... And has the gall to claim the UK - where her husband and children live - isnt her home.

It is about time those on lowest pay and those exploited by politicians and managers rise up. This greed (exhibited from the top) is poisonous, even evil.

I disagree.

We need people to do all types of jobs and to be able to live on a full time wage. Nowadays, for many jobs, you can't. If everyone needs a promotion to live we will and up with too many chiefs (sorry) and nobody to do the work.

In the 1960s my DGF worked for Findus, fixing the production lines. With that wage he could afford to buy a house in a nice area and support a family, without government top-ups. No chance now.

Our 'system' is a mess. Government top-ups have given employers the opportunity to pay unrealistic wages and we have had a downward spiral. Combine that with bonkers policies which have fueled house price rises so that only the rich can buy and rents are ridiculous.

Don't blame hard working people for not being able to make ends meet.

There seems to be a misconception that I'm very well off. I'm far from it. I wasn't happy on minimum wage so I worked my way up to a wage I was happy with. I'm still very much working class.

I never said these jobs were not important of course they are.

Yes totally agree with you

Yes but who was looking after your kids during the night classes?

On my last shift as a low paid carer for people with brain diseases, I had to calm a lady who had vivid hallucinations. She thought she was watching her son having his teeth pulled out and thrown into a canal. I also spent an extra (unpaid) hour trying to calm a lady trying to get out her house as she thought she was being held captive by the CIA. In my next call I then had a full metal teapot thrown at my head as another lady’s very elderly pet had just passed away and she had a breakdown and lashed out. This is a pretty typical shift for me. How dare you look down at people doing these ‘lowly’ jobs and actually expecting a decent wage for them 😡😡😡

Your right @AmbushedByCake how dare the government help people improve themselves and their lives. They should remove all funding so the likes of me can stay in our places 🙄

Then why don't they deserve decent pay?

Let’s imagine all hospital cleaners retrain to become surgeons. Now while I know a surgeon studies for years & does a far more stressful job, would you really want to have an operation in a hospital that had not been cleaned?
The ‘bottom of the ladder’ jobs are just as important as those in the top rung.
You can’t have a hospital with nobody to wash the sheets or clean the toilets, you can’t have a transport system with nobody to drive the bus or clean the trains & we can’t live without food so we need people to stack shelves.
Given the fact all of the jobs are vital to us, why should the people doing them have to scrape by on the bare minimum?

ALL wages need to increase in line with the cost of living. Those at the bottom are not asking too much, just because those at the top have had a pay freeze. Everything needs to continually increase in proportion to the cost of living, but it just isn’t happening. Nobody is asking to be paid the same as a barrister to work at McDonalds, but they are asking to be paid enough to survive.

@Ihatethenewlook I've never looked down on anyone.

In my country (not England) carers are not on minimum wage, granted they don't get paid as much as they should. I agree caring is a skilled and very valuable job and should be recognised as such.

Jobs should be paid what they're worth. Workers should not be entitled to any particular level of wage, not a "decent" wage, not even enough to feed themselves, if the value of their work is that low.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't have some socially agreed minimum level of income, it just means that it's the job of the benefits system to ensure they have that, not the responsibility of employers.

Not putting responsibility in the right place is like throwing sand in the gears of the economy, and results in the country being worse off without making the poor better off.