To be shocked that in the 21st century there's still a staggering amount of women who rely entirely on their husbands?

[EllieRosesMammy]

I see it far too often on MN, women saying their husbands have been cheating on them for years or treating them absolutely terribly, but saying they can't leave because they are entirely financially dependent on their husbands.

Is it just me who finds this mad in 2022? Or is it still normal for men to be 100% the provider of the household?

I just couldn't imagine being stuck in a rubbish situation simply because of money

I am absolutely in no way slating stay at home mums, or house wives here either. I just believe all women should be self sufficient enough that if they're in a bad situation they can walk away

@PrincessMeg

See you're ignorance is showing

It was actually women, and specifically who were the first computer programmers.

They were then very easily pushed out by men.

Cause, ya know. Sexism.

Its absolute madness to pretend that boys and girls aren't funnelled into sex specific careers paths

It is isn't it? We know this happens and we know that it happens at a very young age.
It's not really something that is up for debate anymore because the evidence is overwhelming.

It's been a long time since I've heard the whole 'boys are better at maths' argument. So long in fact I don't think the poster is being entirely honest with us.

@EllieRosesMammy
You are right BUT one day you will realise that life isn't always straight forward or black and white.

@brookstar

Youve been hugely patient can I say!

But yeah either willfull ignorance or well I'm not sure what cause this shite has all been disproven for years

@brookstar

yes you two have your back and foward agreement with how right you are. I suppose that’s also the form your research and review takes? Laywomen like minded people agreeing.

Say what you want, The reality is all that I’ve said is true and whenever the next technological thing comes along it will be some weird boys like Zuckerberg or Gates that are behind it. It will happen over and over and you’ll still be left trying to “fix” it. That’s being honest whatever you meant.

@Topgub

Isnt the actual truth of that that some guy built the machine and women entered the code and were kind of like his secretaries who basically did what he said? So the first programmers were technically women but it was a job in the vein of secretary of phone operater working under the direction of the guy who built the machine.

But for some reason there’s this push to say wome. Really invented everything and men stole it.

@Topgub

It hasn’t been disproven at all. Female and male hormones affect psychology and brain diffences are real on average between genders. Those are facts.

Maybe they’ve been disproven in a limited circle of academic women all in the same field of social sciences but isn’t reality they haven’t.

Why would you be dependent on a man if you have kids? I have 2, with a loving and fabulous husband but I'm the main earner, I work full time and have a good mat leave package but have always saved and funded the unpaid bit myself. If my husband left tomorrow I'd be no worse off just might miss out on a few holidays. I can afford the mortgage alone etc if I needed to and so could he in the reverse situation.

@PrincessMeg

Jeeze.

I mean, I'm all for accepting that some women feel they are bonded better to their babies because they give birth and bf (even if I don't agree) but to be so sexist that you genuinely think women need men to think for them, you're a dying breed

Thank fully.

@PrincessMeg

Mmmmhmmm.

Sure

@Topgub

And where did I say anything remotely like that? Your a deluded breed anyway to think there are no biological differences which affect the psychological makeup of men and women.

I think you only have to read this thread (and much of mumsnet in general) to see why men are better at negotiating and general networking. They don't get hung up on pettiness like many of us do.

Reams of studies support this too. Almost every single one of the many studies over several decades have found that both sexes would rather have a male boss than a female one - women even more so than men in fact.

Men also collaborate better than women and a man/woman due will usually collaborate better than two women. Women are also less likely to want to assist another woman the more senior she is to them, which sadly doesn't help women as a whole to progress. I'll find the thread on here with all the studies if anyone actually wants to read them.

@Topgub

Mmmhmm. Tell us again how natural sex differences affect the way all animals think and behave aside from humans who in contrast are just socialised into gender. That’s good science!

@PrincessMeg

I dont think that

🤷‍♀️

But yeah either willfull ignorance or well I'm not sure what cause this shite has all been disproven for years

Exactly! But apparently I would say that because I'm biased ..... not because there is a significant amount of evidence across a range of disciplines that overwhelmingly support the fact that sex socialisation with regards education and career choices exists.

It's recognised as an issue by the government, by the DfE, by Ofsted, by policy makers and pretty much every professional body I've ever worked with.
It forms part of the statutory guidance for careers education in schools and colleges and universities recognise it as an issue and invest time and money in support female academics challenge the stereotypes that impact their career development.

But hey, what do ALL those people know? 🤷🏼‍♀️

@TruthHertz

Sexist society is sexist?

Wow.

You'll be telling me its racist next

@brookstar

Not as much as princess!

I think you only have to read this thread (and much of mumsnet in general) to see why men are better at negotiating and general networking. They don't get hung up on pettiness like many of us do.

You're kidding right? Have you seen Twitter??

But I suppose men negotiate while women argue over petty things 🙄

Men also collaborate better than women and a man/woman due will usually collaborate better than two women. Women are also less likely to want to assist another woman the more senior she is to them, which sadly doesn't help women as a whole to progress. I'll find the thread on here with all the studies if anyone actually wants to read them.

I'd be interested in this as the research I've read says the opposite.

I would love a political party to explore how the UK could go about providing free, quality, appropriate childcare to working parents.

What a difference to equality that would make.

Clearly!

This idea they have that it's a small number of female academics researching this is incorrect too.
It's a heavily researched area and has been for quite sometime and a number of the leading academics in this field are male.

@brookstar

Deluded pretend feminists?

We haven’t achieved equality though have we?

Because women in the workplace are still paid less than men.

Women have actually outearned men for about 15 years now, with this only dropping off around the age of motherhood (35-40yo depending on the study).

The Economist commissioned a study which found that childless female executives 'continue to be promoted more aggressively than their male counterparts'. Kate Andrews mentions it in the below video which is an interesting counterpoint to the usual discourse.

@TruthHertz

with this only dropping off around the age of motherhood

Another captain obvious

Kate Smurthwaite is the typical feminist. 😂 The speaker before her mentions that women generally earn more up until leaving the workplace to have children and one of her first statements is "if women were paid the same as men they might be more keen to return to the workplace." 🤔

One could almost get the impression that she's not interested in facts or what anybody else has to say.