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To be totally gutted for American women?

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Anothernamechangeplease · 24/06/2022 15:19

The US Supreme Court has reversed the Roe v Wade ruling. Millions of American women have lost their right to make decisions about what happens to their own bodies. Sad

I have never had an abortion and personally, I'm not sure if I ever could, but I have always been passionately of the view that individual women should be able to make that choice for themselves. It's awful that this right has been removed for so many.

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noodlezoodle · 24/06/2022 15:52

Who the fuck are the 4% who think you're being unreasonable?

I am RAGING.

AmaryIlis · 24/06/2022 15:52

CMOTDibbler · 24/06/2022 15:26

36 million women are set to lose access to safe abortions. 36 million. And those who passed this legislation aren't the ones who will suffer through it

Is that the number of women affected in the states likely to ban or limit abortion, or all women in the US?

The sheer hypocrisy of right wing America never fails to astound me. They've just made a decision on gun laws that will inevitably result in yet more children dying, yet they purport to be pro life when it comes to abortion. How can anyone justify that?

NothingIsCertain · 24/06/2022 15:52

What have these who have made the decision/brought the matter to court gained or will gain from this abhorrent decision?

Do they really think in 2022 that women who have their own minds, know their own bodies, believe in choice are going to stand for this shit?!

I hope Holy hell breaks loose and our sisters over in the US remain strong and fight this, quite frankly vile decision!

JLwac · 24/06/2022 15:54

Really shocking. No one should be forced to carry and give birth to a baby they do not want. Unbelievable that this can happen in 2022.

AmaryIlis · 24/06/2022 15:54

dreamingbohemian · 24/06/2022 15:52

Activists are already advising women in the US to delete period tracking apps on their phones, because these could be used as evidence of skipped periods and possible pregnancy.

I think the way the Texas law was supposed to work is that private citizens could sue a woman for trying to circumvent the law and then it would be down to the woman to prove she did not/was not seeking an abortion.

It is completely fucking totalitarian and half the country is cheering it on.

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Bloody hell, so that means if you have a miscarriage some nutter can come and sue you and you have to prove you didn't have an abortion? How can any country or state that purports to be civilised contemplate enacting something like that?

balalake · 24/06/2022 15:55

There will be women visiting parts of the US and perhaps other countries to get an abortion, no doubt.

purpleboy · 24/06/2022 15:55

Cameleongirl · 24/06/2022 15:36

@purpleboy I’m hopeful that the states that continue to allow abortions will allow women from other states to access them. But let’s see.

I so hope your right, it won't help those that don't have the money to travel though, it is once again the poor that are left with no options.
I can't believe this has happened, Sad

dreamingbohemian · 24/06/2022 15:55

Cameleongirl · 24/06/2022 15:51

The contraception issue also makes me so angry, @dreamingbohemian . Surely easy access to conception =fewer unplanned pregnancies=less need for abortions.

They should be throwing free contraception at people in order to prevent unplanned pregnancies. It’s so illogical. 😡

You are so right, but it's only illogical if you take them at their word that they are trying to 'save babies'

What they really want to do is control and oppress women. They obviously don't care about children, they let them be murdered in school, they let them die in poverty, they put them in cages at the border. This is all about subjugating women.

DamnUserName21 · 24/06/2022 15:55

Cameleongirl · 24/06/2022 15:46

@1nsertusername I’m hopeful that this won’t be the case. Where I live, people cross state lines every day going to work so I can’t see how it could be policed, tbh. How would you know why someone went to a neighboring state where abortion is legal?

Anyway, I hope where I live welcomes women from other states who need help.

Well, if the woman had the pregnancy confirmed at a dr's office or hosp, this would be one way also in dating the pregnancy.
Most, I imagine, will not bother getting the pregnancy documented officially if they want to crossover to another state for an abortion.

RevoltingHumanHead · 24/06/2022 15:56

The absolute hypocrisy of those partisan SC judges who voted to repeal Roe v Wade. Saying it's a 'neutral' decision to allow individual states to decide whether abortion can take place there. You can bet your arse they wouldn't think it 'neutral' to leave the decision of banning the sale of guns to individual states.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 24/06/2022 15:56

…but the minute they are born they are target practice.

Sick, sick country

IfYouOnlyKnew · 24/06/2022 15:56

It’s horrific. It’s an aspect of female healthcare, it’s not there to be controlled by the state. All the pro life bullshit they spout when all these children are going to be forced to be born into a country that can’t even keep them safe from guns in school. Makes me so angry.

Notonthestairs · 24/06/2022 15:56

"Clarence Thomas writes, in a concurring opinion, that the Supreme Court should reconsider Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell — the rulings that now protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage."

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1540339085230968834?s=21&t=3X12L1Zc83TT_doDeIdnTg

Following up on DreamingBohemian's post.

Terrifying.

dreamingbohemian · 24/06/2022 15:57

AmaryIlis · 24/06/2022 15:54

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Bloody hell, so that means if you have a miscarriage some nutter can come and sue you and you have to prove you didn't have an abortion? How can any country or state that purports to be civilised contemplate enacting something like that?

Yes god help you if you have a miscarriage in any of these states.

Mufflette · 24/06/2022 15:57

It's just horrific, so many lives will be changed for the worse and women will die needlessly (for all the associated reasons) because of it. It's such a statement too, I so hope it's not the start of an erosion of more rights but I would really be scared if I was in the US now.

RevoltingHumanHead · 24/06/2022 15:58

Cameleongirl · 24/06/2022 15:51

The contraception issue also makes me so angry, @dreamingbohemian . Surely easy access to conception =fewer unplanned pregnancies=less need for abortions.

They should be throwing free contraception at people in order to prevent unplanned pregnancies. It’s so illogical. 😡

they want women out of the workforce, at home barefoot and pregnant. women are chattel to them.

DamnUserName21 · 24/06/2022 15:58

purpleboy · 24/06/2022 15:55

I so hope your right, it won't help those that don't have the money to travel though, it is once again the poor that are left with no options.
I can't believe this has happened, Sad

^This.
The rich and middle classes will be able to access abortion a lot easier than the poor, that's for sure.

moimichme · 24/06/2022 15:59

Not unexpected, but this decision makes me very fucking angry.

orwellwasright · 24/06/2022 16:02

They could ignore all us older 'Karens' who saw the warning signs that women's hard won rights were being eroded

The Scotus has not reversed Roe v Wade because some men feel they are women.

The same people who want to deny women their rights also want to deny trans rights too.

I've seen the warning signs. I'm an older feminist. I've seen them coming for years. I also know trans women are not to blame.

outshinethemorningsun · 24/06/2022 16:02

Cannot believe it

A lot who hold these beliefs are also anti-contraception as well, aiming to make it inaccessible for women.

It is ZERO about being ‘pro life’ and all about controlling women

greywinds · 24/06/2022 16:02

What Obama said.

It's terrible news for women in red states.

dreamingbohemian · 24/06/2022 16:02

Ok apparently even Kavanaugh (that fucker) is saying it would be unconstitutional to prevent women going to another state to get an abortion.

So there will be really huge efforts to provide networks for women to go out of state, that won't be nearly enough though.

Echobelly · 24/06/2022 16:02

Appalling. Yet another reminder, however suspicious people might be of 'wokeness', the fact is that the rights of women, or indeed by extension anyone who is not a white, straight, able-bodied, heterosexual man, are never safe unless or until the world stops being a patriarchy.

moggiek · 24/06/2022 16:02

I’m in my sixties, and sitting in tears. How on earth did we get back here again?

speakout · 24/06/2022 16:03

It is horrific.