To be totally gutted for American women?

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The US Supreme Court has reversed the Roe v Wade ruling. Millions of American women have lost their right to make decisions about what happens to their own bodies.

I have never had an abortion and personally, I'm not sure if I ever could, but I have always been passionately of the view that individual women should be able to make that choice for themselves. It's awful that this right has been removed for so many.

So how would you decide which cases are exceptions and should be allowed to have abortions, and which cases are just silly women not making good choices and taking responsibility for their actions? Seriously how would this work? Would women need to sit in front of a panel and have someone say yes Mrs Smith you can have an abortion as you were raped, but Mrs Jones your contraception failed and you need to take responsibility for your actions and you can't have an abortion? Do you seriously think this would work?
And then Mrs Jones gives birth to her 6th child that she cannot afford or feed, the baby gets abused and neglected and has a lifetime of trauma and the cycle of pain and suffering continues.
But you don't give a shit about the babies once they're born, do you? It's so much easier to protest about unborn foetuses than to actually make a difference and work with the troubled teenager that has had two failed adoptions and no prospects and no one wants anything to do with. Right?

And don’t forget the social costs of these unwanted children - neglected/unwanted/abused tend to have poorer adult lives and can be linked to poor mental health, increased crime, low educational outcomes, increased disassociation to societal norms and expectations. Plus these negatives tend to be repeated for the generation they produce. The future costs (in all aspects) is enormous.

All the virtue signalling politicians should have put it into law (you Obama…), not just rely on precedent. But they didn’t want to spend the political capital.

The Conservative judges are just doing what they do. It’s like blaming a crocodile for being a crocodile.

If anyone's interested, the official view of the Pontifical Academy of Life is contained in this (scroll about a third of the way down):
www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251629/pontifical-academy-of-life-statement-overturning-roe

There's some good stuff in it too, referring to the wider social context and support of women, but as so often not even the briefest suggestion around practical measures
Then again, considering the Supreme Court Justice's remarks about leaving babies in doorways, I wonder if he at least feels another Tuam would be a good idea?

Imagine being so angry over NOT being able to murder babies

As you well know, the bans in many countries go way beyond "lifestyle abortions" and is nothing to do with the "baby"'s life. In many cases they are to save the life of the mother. In many cases the baby will die anyway. And why should someone have to bring up their rapist's child? And who wants to grow up knowing they were a product of rape? (The last time I posted this on here a few years ago the post got deleted but I think it's a reasonable comment to make - it would be devastating to know your father was a rapist).

You don't have to have an abortion. I never have (I've been lucky enough not have a miscarriage either). But don't tell other women what they can and cannot do under some pretext of protecting babies' lives. We all know it has zero to do with that.

@DontBlameMe79 - I think I can blame those conservative judges. They straight up lied at their Senate confirmation hearings about abortion. Isn't that grounds for impeachment?

Further, only Clarence Thomas was appointed by a popularly elected president (Bush Sr.). The rest come from W and Trump. 2 losers that a majority of Americans didn't want to be president. Does that sound like democracy?

I think we have a right to be angry and disappointed with these judges.

Yes, those judges lied under oath on the Bible. To quote the Pet Shop Boys, It's A Sin.

For you, @CoastalWave, and your wonderful social conscience.

This.
And it will probably get worse re access to contraception.
The gun laws are crazy enough, now this!

Imagine being so angry over NOT being able to murder babies
Imagine being so concerned about another woman’s body that you cannot see the reality of the situation. You don’t actually give a shit about that baby, you’re not donating to orphans or to adoption centres. You’re not helping these women when the baby (they couldn’t cope with/didn’t want/were forced to have) or the product of the pregnancy. Imagine being so mired in appalling religious propaganda that you cannot help and support women to have autonomy, physically and politically.

Sums it up I think

I’m in total disbelief it’s even happened. It’s one of the few political things that have happened during my lifetime that I’ve been truly stunned by.

24 weeks in the UK (not including NI) and it is not an absolute cut off. A pregnancy which grossly endangers the mother, or where the foetus is incompatible with life can be terminated at any time up to birth. This very rarely happens.

This very rarely happens.

That was my point...

I know. I was just clarifying that there's more time than people might think to get all test results in and make the decision.

With the greatest of respect, how the fuck do you know that?! You have absolutely no idea what I do with regards to these type of situations.

I stand by my viewpoint. Abortion should not be available freely with no questions asked. It absolutely should be on a case by case review. The rights of the mother do not trump the rights of the unborn child who is carrying their own DNA.

My 17 week loss showed me that's it not a bunch of cells. You are growing a human being. It should not be on a par with taking medicine for a sore throat or ringing the doctor for migraine tablets.

I do give a shit about the babies.

I'm sorry for your loss, but it has nothing to do with other women's bodily autonomy. I've had losses too.

The rights of the mother do not trump the rights of the unborn child who is carrying their own DNA.

Yes they do. DNA is simply genetic coding, not a person. It would be quite something if a foetus wasn't carrying its own mother's DNA so I've no idea what's so significant about this. A foetus is a potential person, a mother is an actual person who would have to endure and live with her consequences of a forced birth. If you've actually given birth and understand what it can do to someone, you'll know how important it is that it isn't forced on anyone.

If you don't want an abortion, don't fucking have one. If you care about babies, don't force them to be born to people who don't want them.

I don't care if a fetus at 20 weeks feels pain, frankly. Or I care far less about that than I do about the mother. Women first, fetuses later.

Maybe we can welcome them as refugees.

We do need people to replace the many retirees and the speak the same language, have an excellent work ethic. Many ethnicities and races in the US so cannot be accused of only wanting Whites.

there are some states that will no doubt be cross-examining women who've had miscarriages as to whether they've in fact had an abortion. there will always be deeper levels of control to be found. even the 'pure' women will be under scrutiny...