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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

OP posts:
WildThing87 · 24/06/2022 10:35

@DixonD I am sure you're off constructing your apology. I can't fathom that someone would openly admit to voting and making a decision, without reading the entire thread. Classic example of our society's "headline only" attention span, who needs facts when assumptions allow you to get on your high horse and spout judgmental crap at anyone with the misfortune to be in the firing line.

OP, this is horrendous. Actually can't believe how they have behaved. The fact that the mum doesn't even have the nerve to face you speaks volumes. Selfish, and a coward. Cut them. Unfortunately, with selfish, thoughtless parents, their child doesn't stand much of a chance so you're daughter will be better off without that friendship I'd say.

Nanny0gg · 24/06/2022 10:35

FrancescaJade1 · 24/06/2022 10:33

Hiya, I can see why you are angry, and I would be too, but it's over and done with now. Kids need their friends. Don't spoil you DDs fun if she wants to meet up with her friend. That's just my opinion...which may be wrong, cos I am mega preggo and having issues with my step daughter, and only young myself, so who knows.....sorry ...don't suppose that helps at all, but I understand where you are coming from Babe. xx

I really don't think you do... Babe.

BatshitBanshee · 24/06/2022 10:36

Decent people would never, ever risk this. I couldn't have it on my conscience that my actions (because of a fucking birthday party which could be rescheduled!!!!!!) led to a child being hospitalized and worry and stress for another parent. That father is a fucking arsehole and the mother isn't much better, she'll just hide herself away because she won't deal with the consequences. I'd be done with them forever more.

Nanny0gg · 24/06/2022 10:37

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:05

I was coming on to ask this - YABU for not having your children vaccinated against chicken pox. Mine is, and she’s not even vulnerable.

Thoughtless, unnecessary, unkind post.

Learn how to read ALL the OP's posts It's not hard.

CharSiu · 24/06/2022 10:37

I just couldn’t trust them again ever. It’s the fact they knew and just went ahead. If they hadn’t known that would be completely different.

People don’t take childhood illness seriously enough. I didn’t have the measles vaccination, it was offered as standard the year after I was born and I almost died due to encephalitis aged six.

CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 24/06/2022 10:37

@Eek3under3 I so very sorry for your loss - you sound like you were a wonderful, protective mother to your child and I am so sorry that you did not have her with you for longer

JackieWeaver101 · 24/06/2022 10:38

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

It is unbelievable that people could be this selfish. It's so bad that I would be triple-checking that I have understood the situation correctly.

NoSquirrels · 24/06/2022 10:38

Well you can’t trust them, can you? So it’s ENTIRELY proportionate to limit your child’s exposure in order to protect your other child.

I’m so sorry. You shouldn’t feel an ounce of guilt over declining any further invites. Actions have consequences. The children will see each other at the activity. You’re being fair.

Brefugee · 24/06/2022 10:38

Hiya, I can see why you are angry, and I would be too, but it's over and done with now. Kids need their friends. Don't spoil you DDs fun if she wants to meet up with her friend.

Can you though, @FrancescaJade1 i don't think you have the slightest clue (reading this thread it is not surprising that Covid is stil A Thing)

Meraas · 24/06/2022 10:38

Yikes, I was actually all set to say you are BU as I thought you'd say someone got sick unexpectedly. But they KNEW. They knew and they prioritised the feelings of their child over the health of your child because their child 'really really really' wanted your child there.

Please don't give these fuckers the time of the day. How dare the ducking dad still try to justify it to you. Don't even be polite to him, cut him dead each time he tries to talk to you.

Even if dd wants to see them, I wouldn't allow it.

Nanny0gg · 24/06/2022 10:38

Eek3under3 · 24/06/2022 10:27

People who don’t have a CEV child don’t truly understand the potential consequences. We were the same with dd1. Protected her as much as we could and missed out on lots of stuff, asked people to tell us if they has colds etc before meeting. One moronic friend came round with a chest infection for a NYE dinner, held her and played with her before coughing a bit and announcing his illness. She died 3 days later. For most people the illness wouldn’t have been serious, but for her it was fatal. I will never forgive his selfishness.

I’m sorry these friends didn’t understand the severity of what would happen, and glad your dd js ok.

😥I am so, so sorry to read this. Flowers

Why are people so selfish and stupid?

FrancescaJade1 · 24/06/2022 10:39

I'm sorry, I didn't understand. xx

Americano75 · 24/06/2022 10:40

My God, that's horrendous behaviour. WTF is wrong with some people?

@Eek3under3 I am so very sorry for your loss, my heart breaks for you.

C152 · 24/06/2022 10:40

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:05

I was coming on to ask this - YABU for not having your children vaccinated against chicken pox. Mine is, and she’s not even vulnerable.

The OP's children HAVE been vaccinated - a vaccination doesn't mean you'll never get a disease. Even having the disease itself, which develops a better level of immunity than a vaccine, doesn't mean you'll never catch it again or you'll never have it as severaly. I've had chicken pox 5 times - twice as a child and three times as an adult. And except for the very last time, it has been very severe each time. I've also had measles several times, despite being vaccinated.

OP, YANBU at all. Those parents behaved unforgivably. I would decline all play dates in future and tell them why. It might make them behave less selfishly with other people in future.

Onedayatatime24799 · 24/06/2022 10:40

This has terrified me.
My youngest child is also CEV and has avoided CP up until now. He's 11.
I'm dreading if/ when he does get it.
Are we talking PICU? Ventilator? We've been there before. 😥

GaslitlikeaVictorianparlour · 24/06/2022 10:41

Oh, Eek3, I'm so sorry to hear about your wee girl. That's absolutely unforgivable of your 'friend', I hope his conscience tortures him daily.

For what it's worth, many years ago DS had a big birthday party planned and we had to cancel because he caught CP. He survived the trauma remarkably well but his wee mate on chemo might not have so it wasn't really a choice.

OP, I think cutting them off is actually a very measured and civilised response to their disgusting behaviour.

Rosehugger · 24/06/2022 10:41

Insane to go ahead with a party with birthday child having chickenpox - especially with kids that age even more than a toddler get together.

I had chickenpox and nearly died of an infection when I was almost 8 years old, and I was an otherwise healthy child. Two weeks in hospital, two x surgery, ill for the whole school holidays and missed the first term of Y3. All from someone coming back to school too soon.

AllFreeOwls · 24/06/2022 10:42

FrancescaJade1 · 24/06/2022 10:33

Hiya, I can see why you are angry, and I would be too, but it's over and done with now. Kids need their friends. Don't spoil you DDs fun if she wants to meet up with her friend. That's just my opinion...which may be wrong, cos I am mega preggo and having issues with my step daughter, and only young myself, so who knows.....sorry ...don't suppose that helps at all, but I understand where you are coming from Babe. xx

Yes children need friends, but as the parents have no qualms in knowingly exposing her to an illness that could kill her sister this doesn't sound like the sort of friend she needs.

cstaff · 24/06/2022 10:42

When I was a kid the same thing happened on our road about 40 years ago. A mother went ahead with her daughters birthday party knowing one of her kids had chicken pox and half the road got chicken pox including me. I then passed it on to my 3 siblings. My mother was absolutely livid as she had a sick house for about six weeks as a result. None of us had any high risk illness but my mam was still not happy. In your case, I just cant get over the thoughtless, selfish carry on of these parents.

AnonymousMizs · 24/06/2022 10:42

OP, you are absolutely not being even remotely unreasonable. If anything, I congratulate you on your restraint because I'm not sure I could have managed it. I also wanted to just send a hug 🤗 - we have a CEV at home, however, he is in his mid nineties and so we have the luxury of being able to look at things from a life well lived perspective if the unthinkable should happen. Even with that, the stance of "Covid is over time to move on" is at best infuriating and heartbreaking. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you and your family to live with this with a youngster, especially one who has a limited life expectancy. You do whatever you feel is best for your whole family, my twopenneth would be that I would maintain only as much civility is necessary for your DD to continue activity if there is no alternative provisions and when the next play date invite comes I would tell them thank you but we will not be having any more play dates. You took a decision to withhold vital information from me, and as such I cannot trust that you won't do the same again in the future. Enjoy the summer holidays and see you (whenever).

Meraas · 24/06/2022 10:43

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:07

I voted YABU for not having her children vaccinated.

The other parents should not have done what they did, but you have to take responsibility for your own children’s health and do what you can to protect them.

Are you coming back to apologise to OP. @DixonD ? Or scuttling away?

Phlewf · 24/06/2022 10:44

So hard to see the mindset of people who don’t live with vulnerability. We drove for 3 hours to visit friends for the weekend. Stopped for petrol and text to say we were 20 mins away so be told “oh btw DS has an upset tummy and a cold”. This would not have endangered my ds’s life but almost definitely would have meant a month of misery, lost school time, time off work for me so turned home. They thought we were over reacting because DS has been so well for so long! As if that happened by magic.

Maray1967 · 24/06/2022 10:45

This is about as bad as it gets when the parents know how vulnerable another child is. They are an absolute disgrace. She at least appears to be ashamed - he clearly isn’t.
If you’ve kept your calm when he makes these comments you’re more polite than me. You would be well within your rights to tell him firmly what you think of them both.

rnsaslkih · 24/06/2022 10:46

They put your vulnerable child in hospital as a direct result of their extraordinarily selfish actions (pleasing their own child).

Daddy says it would have happened if they didn’t know? Daddy doesn’t know the difference between an unpreventable accident (forgivable) and knowingly taking risks (unforgivable). Daddy is a fuckwit.

I would not have anything to do with them. If they invite your DD3 over, say no thanks. They’ve shown their true colours.

SinnermanGirl · 24/06/2022 10:48

I’m so sorry your friends let you down. I would not be able to stay in touch with them.

I felt like this after being exposed to whooping cough by someone I thought was a friend. It is grossly irresponsible and unbelievably selfish.

Your poor daughter, what the hell kind of world is it when we can’t trust our friends with our most basic right to safety 😢