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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

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SomePosters · 24/06/2022 09:41

I’m so sorry this happened to you and so relieved that both your dds have recovered

I have a friend who lost her otherwise healthy 3yo to chicken pox, but our privileged, post vaccination world forgets how deadly these diseases can be

I can’t imagine gambling with another child’s life to avoid my child’s minor disappointment

What utter selfish twats

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:42

RewildingAmbridge · 24/06/2022 09:39

It's annoying but if you're child is CEV aren't the rest of your children entitled to the chicken pox vaccine? If not I would've paid for it, we did and DS is not CEV, his cousins have both just had awful CP he's fine and spent time with them when they would've been contagious, also avoided the nursery outbreak. Worth asking your GP is your others haven't had it too.

My kids have had every vaccine they can have.

DD3 had a very mild dose of CP thanks to the vaccine. It doesn’t always prevent it completely.

DD4 just develops zero immunity to things.

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AppleRottonCore · 24/06/2022 09:42

I would definitely be confronting them OP. Explain to them why you're not going to be talking to them going forward. They don't deserve to be able to shy away from being a couple of selfish twats.

lamaze1 · 24/06/2022 09:44

Life is too short to waste on people that don't deserve your time. In this instance this couple have shown they don't care about you, your child, or your boundaries. They're not even pretending to be genuinely apologetic. I'd be civil when you inevitably bump into them but absolutely not entertain any sort of friendship, meet ups etc. they had a chance and spectacularly blew it.

CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 24/06/2022 09:44

YANBU and I’m sorry your child was so ill.

I think your approach is right and puts your children first - let your daughter carry on with the activity, don’t have a massive row with the CF parents as this could affect your daughter’s activity, don’t continue a one on one relationship with the CF family, review in the unlikely event that your daughter asks to see their daughter. Perfect.

I had a similar situation where some other parents did something knowingly dangerous to my child, I called them out (btw nicely because our kids liked their kids) and they never spoke to us again. Basically people don’t like being in the wrong. It was a shame for my kids that they couldn’t stay friends with their kids but at the end of the day I have to speak up if my kids are endangered.

Good luck 💐

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:44

RewildingAmbridge · 24/06/2022 09:40

Your unwell come may well not be fit to be vaccinated or might not develop immuno response but vaccinating the others helps to protect her

I’m well aware of this.

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Yodaisawally · 24/06/2022 09:45

Unforgivable IMO and the dads line is absolutely ridiculous. I would have nothing to do with them.

PinkWisteria · 24/06/2022 09:53

I would have been very annoyed about this even without a CEV child. A few years ago due to long term medication I had to seek urgent medical advice/treatment if exposed to chicken pox. Most people at work were very understanding and let me and my manager know of anyone in their household had chicken pox. Arrangemets were then made for me to wfh temporarily (this was before covid when wfh was very unusual in my work setting). One colleague just didn't/wouldn't get it. Said I should stop playing victim (!) as I could walk past someone in the street and contract it that way without knowing. While this is true, clearly I wanted to miminise the risk whenever possible.

chouxpetitfilous · 24/06/2022 09:53

I'm sorry this happened to you OP.

I don't think I could get past it and would let the friendship fizzle out.

Also, I think other posters should pack it in giving you unsolicited advice on vaccines and the implications for your child. You didn't ask for advice on any of that.

RandomMess · 24/06/2022 09:54

I think it's unforgivable tbh.

They knew there DD had C-pox and was still infectious. To deliberately lie by omission to anyone let alone a family that they know has to be risk adverse?

Geez what if you other DD had died?

C-pox can be fatal in otherwise healthy children let alone CEV.

stopringingme · 24/06/2022 09:56

I cannot believe someone would be so selfish and irresponsible to think about doing this - let alone actually doing it, do not engage any further with them as they have shown they cannot be trusted.

Life is hard enough as it is without having to deal with idiots like this.

Dozycuntlaters · 24/06/2022 09:56

So basically they prioritised their kids wants over the health of your child. That's selfish and unforgivable and I would definitely be ending the friendship over this. What a pair of twats they really are.

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:57

So you are saying the birthday child actually had chicken pox on the day of her birthday party and the party went ahead as a sleepover no less without giving anyone the choice to expose their kids/families? That is insane. Chicken pox can kill healthy kids without thinking about your sick kid.

Exactly this. They had 3 children (plus family) round in the afternoon for a little party, then DD stayed for a sleepover.

They knew the child had CP the day before.

And at that point hadn’t been in contact with my child for over a week so no “well they were sat next to each other in school all week so we thought it was ok” type thing (which still would have been wrong, but is a mindset lots have with covid).

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myuterusistryingtokillme · 24/06/2022 10:00

They could have killed your child, just so they didn't upset theirs. It is the fact that they made a conscious decision not to tell you that is absolutely unforgivable

420Bruh · 24/06/2022 10:02

All else aside they have proven themselves to be extremely untrustworthy and on that basis I would not want to be around them. The self delusion is honestly scary.

picklemewalnuts · 24/06/2022 10:02

As the dad is trying to chat, I'd take a deep breath, look him straight in the eye and say

"You deliberately chose to expose my child to a virus that nearly killed her. I am not chatting to you."

420Bruh · 24/06/2022 10:03

Like, I would not now trust them to care for my older one as their risk assessment and judgement is obviously very flawed.

Outlookmainlyfair · 24/06/2022 10:04

I’m shocked (at time of writing) that 13% think YABU,

EvergreenForest · 24/06/2022 10:04

picklemewalnuts · 24/06/2022 10:02

As the dad is trying to chat, I'd take a deep breath, look him straight in the eye and say

"You deliberately chose to expose my child to a virus that nearly killed her. I am not chatting to you."

Absolutely this

What thoughtless cunts they were

Viviennemary · 24/06/2022 10:05

I think that's terrible. You are right not to have anything to do with them again. Such selfish people. As long as their child gets what it wants nobody else matters

CouldItBe22 · 24/06/2022 10:05

Absolutely unforgivable, people like this make me so angry. And they don’t even think they are in the wrong. Completely understand keeping your older one at the activity she loves but I wouldn’t be allowing any contact outside of the activity, even if DD asks herself. Is she old enough for you to explain in simple terms that it just isn’t safe for her little sister to see this family socially? Obviously kindly and in a way she won’t get upset about x

Fitterbyfifty · 24/06/2022 10:05

Dozycuntlaters · 24/06/2022 09:56

So basically they prioritised their kids wants over the health of your child. That's selfish and unforgivable and I would definitely be ending the friendship over this. What a pair of twats they really are.

Was going to add a post but this just about sums it up!

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:05

RewildingAmbridge · 24/06/2022 09:39

It's annoying but if you're child is CEV aren't the rest of your children entitled to the chicken pox vaccine? If not I would've paid for it, we did and DS is not CEV, his cousins have both just had awful CP he's fine and spent time with them when they would've been contagious, also avoided the nursery outbreak. Worth asking your GP is your others haven't had it too.

I was coming on to ask this - YABU for not having your children vaccinated against chicken pox. Mine is, and she’s not even vulnerable.

Bogofftosomewherehot · 24/06/2022 10:05

The 14% that are saying you're being unreasonable clearly have little idea of what it's like to live with the daily grind and risk assessment we have to do with CEV kids. Mine has spent 2 months in hospital over the last year.

I would be livid that they have such a blase attitude and that they prioritised their daughter's desire to have you eldest at the sleepover rather than the risk posed to your family. I would lose all levels of trust in them. I too would rather the friendship fizzled out and just kept it at the bare minimum. Selfish idiots!!!

Bonjovispjs · 24/06/2022 10:06

Wow, the selfishness of some people is mind blowing, I'd have nothing to do with them, after first going ballistic at them.