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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

OP posts:
EvergreenForest · 24/06/2022 10:06

@DixonD try reading the full thread. They are all vaccinated. Doesn't mean you don't get it, just milder in some cases

Workawayxx · 24/06/2022 10:06

I wouldn't be able to forget that they did this and I think your plan to limit contact to the weekly activity are right. Even without your CEV DD in the mix (so sorry she was so unwell with it), it's crazy to knowingly expose another persons DC to CP! If they hadn't known then that's different but they DID KNOW and could have protected your DD, that was in THEIR power but they did nothing - the Dad's rationale is meaningless and offensive. In addition, the party in the afternoon exposed countless other people (and by extension their families) to CP. Their deliberate actions could have ruined so many plans and caused so much illness.

YouSoundLovely · 24/06/2022 10:07

Inviting anyone's child over, healthy or otherwise, when you know your child has a contagious illness (any contagious illness tbh, possibly barring a mild cold - but would still give full disclosure beforehand) is bonkers.

If your elder daughter isn't bothered, I'd definitely disengage.

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 10:07

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:05

I was coming on to ask this - YABU for not having your children vaccinated against chicken pox. Mine is, and she’s not even vulnerable.

And if you’d bothered to read my posts @DixonD you’d see that all my kids are vaccinated.

DD3 had a very mild case of CP thanks to the vaccine.

her sister still picked it up as she has zero immunity.

OP posts:
TheOrigRights · 24/06/2022 10:07

YANBU - they are not your friends.

Best wishes to your DD and family.

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:07

Outlookmainlyfair · 24/06/2022 10:04

I’m shocked (at time of writing) that 13% think YABU,

I voted YABU for not having her children vaccinated.

The other parents should not have done what they did, but you have to take responsibility for your own children’s health and do what you can to protect them.

ofwarren · 24/06/2022 10:08

It really is unforgivable.
My son is CEV too and I'd be livid.
Have you considered vaccination for chicken pox for your other children? My CEV son can't have live vaccines but his brother got vaccinated for free as per NICE guidelines as he lives with a vulnerable person.

ofwarren · 24/06/2022 10:09

ofwarren · 24/06/2022 10:08

It really is unforgivable.
My son is CEV too and I'd be livid.
Have you considered vaccination for chicken pox for your other children? My CEV son can't have live vaccines but his brother got vaccinated for free as per NICE guidelines as he lives with a vulnerable person.

Sorry, I see you have answered that. I should have rtft

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 10:09

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:07

I voted YABU for not having her children vaccinated.

The other parents should not have done what they did, but you have to take responsibility for your own children’s health and do what you can to protect them.

Once again - my children are vaccinated.

OP posts:
DrFoxtrot · 24/06/2022 10:10

YANBU it is absolutely unforgivable. The mum knows it is, that's why she can't face you.

And I am staggered at the lack of reading comprehension on this thread @DixonD

KyaClark · 24/06/2022 10:10

I was pissed off when someone brought their infected child to a play group and gave my son chicken pox, and he had a really mild case!

I would be furious. I would avoid them as much as possible. Selfish, selfish cunts.

DarkShade · 24/06/2022 10:11

I don't get why these posters can't read:

The OP's kids ARE vaccinated against CP

I thought we all knew this post covid - some vaccines stop you catching it, some stop symptoms, some reduce the symptoms.

OP, these people were happy to subject your precious child to risk of death so as not to slightly dissapoint their own child. Unforgivable.

ladycarlotta · 24/06/2022 10:11

There's forgiving and forgetting, isn't there? Even if you did forgive them this, they have shown you that they are willing to put your CEV child in terrible danger if it means they get to have a good time - that's something you should never, ever forget. So on every single level YANBU at all. Be civil, let your kid keep doing the activity, but distance massively and don't facilitate the friendship with playdates. They've shown you they can't be trusted.

Why ANYONE would continue to host a sleepover knowing they had chicken pox in the house is beyond me, though. They should have rescheduled. There's really something off about them.

EarringsandLipstick · 24/06/2022 10:11

OP, that's really dreadful, you are in in no way being UR.

I'm very sorry your DD is so ill, that must be very hard for you all, especially with the prognosis 💐

The personal betrayal must be very hard (as well as the health implications for DD) - the fact that someone quite close to you, who knew the situation, was capable of doing this.

EvergreenForest · 24/06/2022 10:11

@DixonD honestly try using the filter button to just read OPs posts at least if you can't be fucked to scroll such a short thread.

AtwilightRebellion · 24/06/2022 10:13

I would have nothing to do with them again.

Unforgivable. CP can be deadly. I don't get the often casual attitude towards it.

Lou98 · 24/06/2022 10:15

YANBU - they decided not upsetting their DD on her birthday was more important than your DD's life - I couldn't forgive that.

Pippylongstock · 24/06/2022 10:15

This is absolutely horrible. I am so sorry that your child has been so unwell. People know the risks of chicken pox why on Earth they didn’t just rearrange the party is beyond me. I’m not surprised the other mother can’t face you. Her husband clearly has no moral compass. Why in the world
are people so ridiculous about cancelling things? It really isn’t the end of the world to wait until their daughter was no longer infectious. Also to the posters harping on about CP vaccine. Leave the moralising around vaccines out.
I wouldn’t be having anything to do with this family again.

Thejoyfulstar · 24/06/2022 10:16

Ultimately what you are dealing with is deception and the removal of your informed consent. They deceived you in order to facilitate their child's sleepover. Their selfish deception could have killed your child. I would be absolutely furious as well. They tricked you into exposing your child to a potentially deadly illness

It's up to you whether you forgive them. Forgiveness is more for the forgiver than the forgiven: if you are holding on to a painful amount of anger towards them, it might feel healing. However that absolutely doesn't mean you ever have to see them again and you are well within your rights to tell them exactly why. They are dangerous people who have crossed a line in a pretty insidious way. I wouldn't really want my daughter to continue the friendship if I could help it. If your DD isn't fussed then drop the family.

Their excuse is a joke. Most normal people will take extra precautions to do whatever they can to minimise risk. It doesn't matter exactly when your other child caught CP from their's: it's the fact that these parents deceived you into agreeing to something that did not minimise risk. The whole 'It's OK because they were in school together the day before' wasn't their decision to make, it wasn't their risk to analyse. It was yours. However the parents know that they are in the wrong, deep down. I too would feel robbed of power and that my trust was totally violated.

It's unconscionable.

I'm so sorry to hear this and just feel awful for you. It's depressing to know that there are people like that out there.

KvotheTheBloodless · 24/06/2022 10:16

@DixonD WTF is wrong with you? Coming to put the boot in to an OP who's clearly not in the wrong, and not even bothering to read all her posts?

I'm not sure MN is the right place for you if you're this hard of thinking.

Itwasntmeright · 24/06/2022 10:17

If it was a child who didn’t have particular health vulnerabilities then I’d be telling you to get a grip, but as they know your child is medically vulnerable, yeah, I’d be absolutely fuming as well. I suppose the one good thing is that at least now your child has had CP so they won’t get it again, and they would have probably got it at some point anyway so you’ve got the inevitable out of the way. Yeah though, I would be pissed off too.

lanthanum · 24/06/2022 10:17

I wonder if they knew that your children had been vaccinated against chickenpox and assumed that that made it safe. However if that was the case then it should have been "she's got chickenpox, but since yours has been vaccinated we can still go ahead" - giving you the chance to say that the vaccine isn't necessarily enough. It does sound as if they deliberately delayed telling you about the chickenpox, so they must have had some doubt that you would be okay with it.

NoNoNoooo · 24/06/2022 10:17

CEV DD or not, that was NOT ok - their child is a spoilt brat if they are unable to rearrange her birthday party due to her having chicken pox.

I despair of parents who have princessed their DDs so much they then can’t deal with the fallout from disappointment. I often wonder how these girls turn out as teens and adults? thanks

billy1966 · 24/06/2022 10:18

Absolutely unbelievable.

Their actions are 100% unforgivable.

I would tell that father to get the hell away from me and my family.

There would be no further contact between the children.

I have never had to ever consider such an action, but would absolutely do it in this instance, and I would not be quiet about it either.

That is just so shocking and actually hard to believe.

rainbowninja · 24/06/2022 10:18

They made a serious error of judgement and you have every right to be furious. So sorry this happened OP. YANBU to want to discontinue the relationship.

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