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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

OP posts:
oakleaffy · 24/06/2022 10:49

@JustLyra
That is grossly selfish of them.
Chicken pox is no bloody joke, either.

Once one has caught that wretched virus, it leaves one prone to Shingles, as it never ever leaves the body, but sets up home in nerve roots.

I've had shingles twice, and the pain is excruciating.{Mis~diagnosed first time, by a pharmacist, as ''Plant dermatitis'' {Blisters in a line on my leg}
A deep gnawing ache coupled with terrible sunburn and being stung by a hundred wasps all combined.

The shingles pain can last months/ years afterwards.

durianeater · 24/06/2022 10:50

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:07

I voted YABU for not having her children vaccinated.

The other parents should not have done what they did, but you have to take responsibility for your own children’s health and do what you can to protect them.

If ever there was a time to read the fucking thread...

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 10:51

JackieWeaver101 · 24/06/2022 10:38

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

It is unbelievable that people could be this selfish. It's so bad that I would be triple-checking that I have understood the situation correctly.

The numerous times they’ve said (paraphrasing) “we know we should have told you that we knew, but if we hadn’t known the risk would have been the same so it’s not so bad…” has confirmed plenty that they were aware their DD had chicken pox the day before her birthday.

The mum told the other mum that. The mum then told me that. The Dad has since confirmed it numerous times in his bids to downplay it.

OP posts:
Miracle101 · 24/06/2022 10:52

That is absolutely disgraceful behaviour from them. I would not be able to get over that and I'd definitely not have anything more to do with them. What the hell is wrong with people?

CannaeRemember · 24/06/2022 10:52

picklemewalnuts · 24/06/2022 10:02

As the dad is trying to chat, I'd take a deep breath, look him straight in the eye and say

"You deliberately chose to expose my child to a virus that nearly killed her. I am not chatting to you."

Absolutely this. I hope that your daughter is now feeling better, OP. What a horrible situation, through no fault of your own.

Tentpegsandtantrums · 24/06/2022 10:52

Having had a vulnerable family member in a similar position, I am outraged on your behalf. It’s like the men who knowingly spread HIV to their partners. They KNEW that they were playing Russian roulette with your child’s life. It’s not like giving someone a piece of cake that’s a day out of date and hoping for the best. They literally, knowingly, exposed her to an illness that could very well have killed her and almost did.

I would be apoplectic and the family would be dead to me. I wouldn’t keep quiet about what they had done either. I’d make sure everyone locally knew about their twattery.

It makes you wonder about the legalities about this kind of thing. Is it a criminal act to knowingly expose someone to an illness you know could kill them? It should be!

Tessasanderson · 24/06/2022 10:53

Normally i side on not being over protective but not in this incident. I would be telling him straight to stay the hell away from any of your family as they cannot be trusted.

What they did was knowingly risk your childs life. Not a mistake. A choice. You need to be very strong and tell them to fuck off.

Also, i think you need more friends like the person who told her to confess. Way to go to that woman because she probably risked a friendship and possible issues in the long run to ensure you got the truth.

MangoBiscuit · 24/06/2022 10:54

Fucking hell. I wouldn't be able to forgive that, even if I wanted to. In fact I'd be hard pressed not to give the Dad both barrels when he tried to chat.

"But if we hadn't known, neither would you" No, but you did fucking know, didn't you. So armed with knowledge that you refused to share, you made a judgement call about someone elses very poorly child, and nearly fucking killed them.

I am aghast that anyone would think that was ok.

Yorkshireteabags · 24/06/2022 10:54

Their actions were very wrong. I think you have a tough enough time and seem to commuicate well with others so its all on them. Im so sorry this happened, they were 100% out of order

Leanne12321 · 24/06/2022 10:55

I would lose my shit if someone risks my kids life I would tell then go fuck off and thanks to their daughter waiting her beastie at a sleep over have now ruined their relationship for life.Stipid fucks I would flip evan reading this had made my blood boil for you

RedCardigan · 24/06/2022 10:55

Really unforgivable and I hope they recognise the,selves on this thread and realise and properly apologise and know what they can do to a pregnant woman.

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 10:55

Also, i think you need more friends like the person who told her to confess. Way to go to that woman because she probably risked a friendship and possible issues in the long run to ensure you got the truth.

The lovely thing about that woman is that I didn’t really know her. She was just a mum at the activity group that I’ve said hi to a few times and had the odd “is this the last week or is that next week?” chat at the door with. They knew each other better as their kids are at the same school.

OP posts:
Chilliahoy · 24/06/2022 10:55

Your time is far too precious to waste worrying about how to deal with those f*wits. Next time the dad mentions "the same thing could have happened if they hadn't known" just cut him dead and calmly say "But you DID know and that changes everything. You and your DW disgust me. Now please don't try to talk to me ever again" and blank both of them. What they did is just awful and your DD had to pay the price of it.

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 10:57

Thank you for the replies. It’s much appreciated.

a few people around me have the “well they’re likely to come into contact with CP at some point…” attitude so had me doubting my level of anger

OP posts:
Knittedfairies · 24/06/2022 10:57

These people are not your friends and you should have no qualms about looking straight through them next time they try to excuse their insane behaviour. Their daughter's disappointment versus you daughter's life? Sheesh...

Leanne12321 · 24/06/2022 10:57

I mean they should have told their daughter NO and done it when she was CP free I know its not the child's fault but its the parents stupidly

durianeater · 24/06/2022 10:57

@Eek3under3 so very sorry for your loss, there are no words.

TidyDancer · 24/06/2022 10:58

Wow, it's been a while since I've read anything so selfish! YANBU in the slightest and I would make sure as many people as possible know about this tbh. You should've been able to trust fellow parents to be decent and it's awful that they've been so vile.

PinkButtercups · 24/06/2022 10:58

That's bang out of order and unforgivable. That sleepover could've waited.

I wouldn't speak to them again.

Sagealicious · 24/06/2022 10:58

What a shame there isn't a vaccine that stops people from being stupid. The parents of the child and a few in this thread could do with a dose of it.

Leanne12321 · 24/06/2022 10:59

Also of she didn't mention to your DD at the sleepover they parents must have told her not to tell your DD and that means they knew what they were doing was totally wrong

LilacPoppy · 24/06/2022 10:59

It’s awful but am confused as to why you didn’t vaccinate your other children in order to protect your CEV child. Surely that’s the obvious thing to do.

TidyDancer · 24/06/2022 11:00

LilacPoppy · 24/06/2022 10:59

It’s awful but am confused as to why you didn’t vaccinate your other children in order to protect your CEV child. Surely that’s the obvious thing to do.

RTFT @LilacPoppy. OP has said multiple times that the children are vaccinated.

Sandinmyknickers · 24/06/2022 11:02

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:33

They know how ill she was. That’s what made the Mum talk to another mum, because she felt guilty. She’s completely avoided me since - she hasn’t done pick up once (it was usually her) and if she drops off she stays in the car.

The Dad, who keeps trying to chat at pick up, just seems fixated on “but if we didn’t know the same could have happened”.

If my DD didn’t love the activity so much, or there was another one the same, I’d move her and then cut them off totally.

The mum is ashamed. As well she should be!!!
That's not on you...let her feel that shame. If she starts shaking it off with time, give her the look that will make her feel it again.
I'm generally a 'forgive and move on' kind of person, but not for this.
It doesn't matter if your kids could come in to contact with CP unknowingly another way. The difference is that they knew and purposefully chose to ignore and put your child at risk. Unforgivable

AtrociousCircumstance · 24/06/2022 11:02

FFS at least read the OP’s posts! They are all vaccinated.

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