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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

OP posts:
JustLyra · 26/06/2022 08:25

It’s always the same @HeelsAtDawn - someone always thinks they know better when they don’t

Me - who knows all the circumstances - that’s where it was picked up

Medics - who knows all the circumstances - that’s where it was picked up

Party Parents - who know all the circumstances- that’s where it was picked up

MN Poster - who doesn’t because my only point of the thread was the deliberate non disclosure - It’s probably not as I know better

It’s laughable really

OP posts:
MamanDeChoix · 26/06/2022 08:25

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JustLyra · 26/06/2022 08:28

@MamanDeChoix I’m not even going to give that nastiness merit by replying to any of it.

Hope you feel better for trying to make someone feel bad.

You’re spouting bollocks so you’ve had no effect on me.

OP posts:
HeelsAtDawn · 26/06/2022 08:29

The OP has already explained how she tries to balance the needs of her other children.

As a parent with one CV child and one healthy child I can tell you that the daily (and usually several times a day) of risk assessment, balancing, trying to deal with competing needs is really quite second nature now- yet deeply deeply exhausting.

@MamanDeChoix you are just lecturing a person who knows her situation better than you do and telling her she's clearly not doing it properly. It's uneccessary at best.

JustLyra · 26/06/2022 08:31

Should they be guilt tripped - likelihood is that they were ignorant, many people are about cp and may have assumed the ill rules were regarding cold and covid type issues.

This I will reply to, and only this - they weren’t ignorant.

They openly admitted they knew I would cancel my DDs attendance over chicken pox.

They decided that if they hadn’t been aware their DD had chicken pox my DD would have been at risk so, for them, that made it ok to pretend they hadn’t been aware.

They knew. That’s the whole point of my post.

OP posts:
MamanDeChoix · 26/06/2022 08:36

JustLyra · 26/06/2022 08:31

Should they be guilt tripped - likelihood is that they were ignorant, many people are about cp and may have assumed the ill rules were regarding cold and covid type issues.

This I will reply to, and only this - they weren’t ignorant.

They openly admitted they knew I would cancel my DDs attendance over chicken pox.

They decided that if they hadn’t been aware their DD had chicken pox my DD would have been at risk so, for them, that made it ok to pretend they hadn’t been aware.

They knew. That’s the whole point of my post.

Maybe they were putting their child's emotional needs first and using the balance of logic regarding the fact that your child has already been in contact within the previous 21 days?

Ohthatsexciting · 26/06/2022 08:38

@MamanDeChoix

but the parents have EXPLICITLY confirmed that they were not using that logic?

Bovrilly · 26/06/2022 08:40

Fucking hell Maman, why don't you read the OP's posts, you might not make such a tit of yourself.

your other child was most likely already to be catching cp anyway from the prior contact

The OP has repeatedly said they had not seen each other for over a week and that medical professionals who have all the information (unlike you) say that she was infected at this sleepover

likelihood is that they were ignorant, many people are about cp

They were friends, they have looked after DD3 before when DD4 was in hospital, they know how vulnerable DD4 is to infection. The mum has said she is feeling guilty. She is now avoiding the OP. They knew exactly what they were doing but prioritised their DD's party

You want to cut the relationship, what about what your healthy child wants? What about their needs?

Again the OP has addressed this more than once. Her DD likes the activity they do together but is not fussed about seeing the other girl apart from that. So the OP is letting the activity continue and cutting out the extra meet ups.

If you really want to put a healthy child's needs ahead of a vulnerable child's, I guess you could complain on behalf of the girl who hosted the sleepover. She is the one who asks for the extra meet ups that will no longer be happening. For me though, this is way down the priority list when the OP cannot trust that family not to knowingly put her DD's life at risk.

user1496146479 · 26/06/2022 08:40

@MamanDeChoix stop bloody excusing their despicable behaviour!

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Ohthatsexciting · 26/06/2022 08:40

really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

Absolutely no where do they subscribe to the logic you are outlining here as a possible motivation @MamanDeChoix

ZandathePanda · 26/06/2022 08:40

Oh dear god MamanDeChoix what are you on? Chicken pox is most infectious just as the spots are coming out. Like this child had. Even if the daughter attending the party had already unknowingly been exposed (which the parents and medics know they hadn’t), the parents knew their child was infectious. Your point is irrelevant.

pastaandpesto · 26/06/2022 08:41

OP, I get it. For all of the posters (and the dad) saying, that a few days earlier they wouldn't have known and the girl still would have been contagious -

Are you saying that if I knocked over and killed your child in a tragic accident, you'd feel the same as if I had pointed my car straight for them and deliberately mown them down? The outcome would be the same, so hey, why make all the fuss?

NoSquirrels · 26/06/2022 08:41

Maybe they were putting their child's emotional needs first

Yes, that’s exactly what they were doing. And it was grossly unfair of them.
They should have used it as a moment to teach empathy and selflessness. They didn’t. They taught their child that it’s OK to lie if it means you get your own way.

Reallyreallyborednow · 26/06/2022 08:45

If your child is cev is there are reason she or her siblings aren’t vaccinated for CP?

then when people do things like this the chances of dd3 and subsequently dd4 catching it or becoming so unwell are reduced…

EvergreenForest · 26/06/2022 08:46

Never have I ever agreed with @Ohthatsexciting on a thread but absolutely @MamanDeChoix is a fucking cock and I don't care my post will be deleted

You are a vile person to continue to harass the Op in this manner. Seriously fuck the fuck off

Reported @MamanDeChoix latest ramblings

EvergreenForest · 26/06/2022 08:47

Reallyreallyborednow · 26/06/2022 08:45

If your child is cev is there are reason she or her siblings aren’t vaccinated for CP?

then when people do things like this the chances of dd3 and subsequently dd4 catching it or becoming so unwell are reduced…

Seriously read the fucking thread. Some posters

JacquelineCarlyle · 26/06/2022 08:47

Fucking hell @Reallyreallyborednow, the Op has said many times over that her children are all vaccinated. Sadly her DC4 still has no immunity to it.

I really do wish people would at least read the Ops posts before posting Angry

1000Pieces · 26/06/2022 08:49

Reallyreallyborednow · 26/06/2022 08:45

If your child is cev is there are reason she or her siblings aren’t vaccinated for CP?

then when people do things like this the chances of dd3 and subsequently dd4 catching it or becoming so unwell are reduced…

Jesus Christ.

Pinkfluff76 · 26/06/2022 08:49

Holy crap what horrible selfish people. It was just your daughter going to their house, they could literally have just moved it by ONE week. What arseholes!

EvergreenForest · 26/06/2022 08:52

I've just counted.

OP has said

ELEVEN TIMES THAT HER CHILDREN ARE VACCINATED

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 26/06/2022 08:52

Lyra, I hope this thread enables you to move on. If not, you should walk away from it.

these people decided that the happiness of their child was more important than the health/life of yours. They took this decision without consulting you and thereby removed your ability to make this crucial decision for your own child.

At best, they were ignorant of the severity of the consequences (potential death of your child. Maybe they didn’t believe you when you told them how dangerous exposure to germs can be. At worst, these people are despicable, evil people who deliberately exposed your child to something that could threaten her life. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

I think many people don’t want to believe that others, who we perceive to be friends, can act this way. The potential awfulness of people is frightening. But there is nothing we can do. You are right to move on and not socialise with them anymore- their actions could have cost your child her life.

There is nothing to defend for you and you need to try to move on and keep making your family’s life as wonderful as you can.

if you can bear it, I think you calmly should say that to those parents. That their actions and ignorance in combination with them not telling you directly led to your child spending 6(?) days in hospital and almost died. That you are very upset as you trusted them and thought you were friends. And that sadly you cannot continue socialising with them as this would mean risking your child’s life. The trust is gone.

Ohthatsexciting · 26/06/2022 08:54

EvergreenForest · 26/06/2022 08:52

I've just counted.

OP has said

ELEVEN TIMES THAT HER CHILDREN ARE VACCINATED

a quiet Sunday your end? 😂

JustLyra · 26/06/2022 08:54

Reallyreallyborednow · 26/06/2022 08:45

If your child is cev is there are reason she or her siblings aren’t vaccinated for CP?

then when people do things like this the chances of dd3 and subsequently dd4 catching it or becoming so unwell are reduced…

Please tell me that was an attempt at being funny that missed the smiley face?

OP posts:
EvergreenForest · 26/06/2022 08:55

@Ohthatsexciting Cricket on in this house. Couldn't be less interested!!!

SandieCollins · 26/06/2022 08:55

I can’t help but wonder what the driver is for those posters who seem hell bent on missing the point here.

OP maybe you need to request MN change your heading to add ‘yes they’ve been vaccinated, no they don’t go to school together’

I’m sorry that you and your family are going through this, sounds like someone has already helped you out here but you’re absolutely not unreasonable to avoid people that you can’t trust to make sensible decisions when they know all the facts.