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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

OP posts:
skybluee · 25/06/2022 23:29

The dad's logic doesn't even make sense anyway. If we hadn't known the risk would have been the same so it's not so bad??? But they did know. So obviously that makes it totally different.

I'm so sorry you've been through this. It sounds like your daughter isn't really bothered about the friendship and it's pro-active from the other side. I'd just let it drift. You can't trust that they won't act like this again. It would be different if they had apologised, been mortified and said they simply hadn't understood (somehow). But that isn't the case. They had the knowledge, and they made their decision. A really, really shitty one as it turns out. I don't actually understand HOW someone could make that decision, just think it was OK. It's like someone packing peanuts into their child's lunchbox thinking oh, well... she likes peanuts you know and if we didn't know about her friend's allergy the risk would have been the same so it's not so bad.

It's just vile behaviour. I'd try to cultivate a friendship with the other mum!

FlippityFlapperty · 25/06/2022 23:30

Absolutely appallingly and selfish from them.

Blueink · 25/06/2022 23:37

It’s really selfish of them. The Mum “feeling guilty” and seemingly now avoiding you, shows they knew they were being unreasonable and hid it to please their DC on their birthday. I wouldn’t bother to discuss it any further with the Dad either and would say that you don’t want to unless it again unless is for a proper apology. Glad she is recovering and out of hospital.

Stanandlarry · 25/06/2022 23:42

picklemewalnuts · 24/06/2022 10:02

As the dad is trying to chat, I'd take a deep breath, look him straight in the eye and say

"You deliberately chose to expose my child to a virus that nearly killed her. I am not chatting to you."

Totally this

CelestiaNoctis · 25/06/2022 23:44

Lol if they didn't know, but they DID know. You're not talking about being unaware, they were fully aware and did it anyway. They could have killed her, I would fully ignore them and tell them why! I wouldn't be quiet about it. Its disgusting. The mother is showing the right level of guilt and shame. I would never do anything like this but if I had done it accidentally I would still feel horrible and have practically been your slave at the hospital and on my knees. I'd feel absolutely awful. In summary, they're evil pricks, distance yourself and don't hide why. You've done nothing wrong at all. I hope they both feel better ❤️

BossyFlossie76 · 25/06/2022 23:47

JustLyra · 25/06/2022 19:09

I’m not really sure why you bothered posting?

I quite clearly said why I posted, and thanked posters for its sooner.

other than taking the chance to be another “I won’t be testing for covid” poster I don’t see the point.

The thread is about chicken pox. And deliberate exposure to it.

I was agreeing it was dreadful. Responding to your initial post in agreement.

I was acknowledging what a tough situation it is loving someone CEV.

You’re coming off pretty unkind.

stayingpositiveifpossible · 26/06/2022 00:07

I am not sure about this.

Don't mean to diminish your anguish but there are still shed loads of us CEV who are disregarded by just about everybody re covid.

how is this different?

wellhelloitsme · 26/06/2022 00:16

stayingpositiveifpossible · 26/06/2022 00:07

I am not sure about this.

Don't mean to diminish your anguish but there are still shed loads of us CEV who are disregarded by just about everybody re covid.

how is this different?

The difference is that they purposefully withheld information they knew would mean OP's DD didn't attend, knowing it put her sister at risk. And her sister ended up in hospital as a direct result.

Nanny0gg · 26/06/2022 00:38

undermilkjug · 25/06/2022 19:26

You should be ashamed of yourself.

The op has clearly said repeatedly that she had vaccinated her children and that because of her youngest child's disability, the vaccine didn't work. This is perfectly possible. The fact that your limited anecdotal evidence suggests something different is probably more that you've never bother to ask about the effectiveness of the vaccine in people with low immunity, not that the op is wrong, so please stop suggesting she is lying.

Woah!

I think she is saying that as the CP vaccine use is so widespread in the US there is a very low (non-existent) incidence of CP there. Therefore why is that not the case in the UK (reasons explained upthread by another poster). Because then the OP's child wouldn't have been able to be put at risk by her sister's friend.

I don't think she was criticising the OP at all.

Nanny0gg · 26/06/2022 00:39

stayingpositiveifpossible · 26/06/2022 00:07

I am not sure about this.

Don't mean to diminish your anguish but there are still shed loads of us CEV who are disregarded by just about everybody re covid.

how is this different?

Have you been knowingly infected and hospitalised by someone?

Elfblossom · 26/06/2022 00:55

Chickenpox vaccine should be given routinely with other childhood vac programs in the UK just like in most other developed countries. The only reason is not is - money!

Sure, most Children will be nothing more then 'poorly for a week or so' but for those that aren't, you can't turn back time.

My son had Chickenpox blisters inside his eyelids, on his gums, on his genitals, he was covered in them and ended up in hospital.

Other children, lose their life due to complications.

The Chickenpox virus (and more recently, the Covid19 virus) is a common cause of Stroke in Children, especially in the first year following infection.

OP you have every right to tell these people (the parents)to F off! F right off & F* right off some more! They are utterly selfish & thick as shite.

Imy06 · 26/06/2022 01:09

Oh my goodness my heart breaks for you reading this 🌺❤️🌺❤️🌺 I am so so sorry for your loss

ElderflowerAccordian · 26/06/2022 02:04

I'd create a massive stinker. Full blown dressing down, in public. If anything it would make a point and hammer home to everyone exactly what you expect from them. If you had known then you could have risk assessed and probably not taken her. Honestly these people sound like idiots who are looking to ease their own guilt.

JustLyra · 26/06/2022 02:17

stayingpositiveifpossible · 26/06/2022 00:07

I am not sure about this.

Don't mean to diminish your anguish but there are still shed loads of us CEV who are disregarded by just about everybody re covid.

how is this different?

How many times have people tested positive for covid and then deliberately withheld that information from you?

And even if that happens frequently why the fuck would that make it ok?

OP posts:
ZFace · 26/06/2022 04:38

Outlookmainlyfair · 24/06/2022 10:04

I’m shocked (at time of writing) that 13% think YABU,

Down to 7% thankfully

BeenToldComputerSaysNo · 26/06/2022 04:41

OP, sorry they betrayed your trust and deliberately gambled with your DD's health like this. You are 100% right.

MindYourHeadDoggy · 26/06/2022 05:06

Weepah · 25/06/2022 18:51

I guess this is is a sign I've been living the States for too long but all I could think was why aren't all these kids vaxxed for CP?

I’d take it as a sign that your literacy and comprehension skills aren’t very good.

Sorry to hear your daughter was so unwell, OP. I would be reeling and not want anything to do with those people again. Their actions were downright stupid.

WimpoleHat · 26/06/2022 05:25

Don't mean to diminish your anguish but there are still shed loads of us CEV who are disregarded by just about everybody re covid.

As I’ve said upthread, this isn’t the equivalent of these parents not wearing a mask, or having the OP’s child round the day after they’ve been to a pop concert. This is the equivalent of these people testing their own child for Covid, getting a positive result and then deliberately not telling the OP because they knew she had another child who was CEV and so knew that she wouldn’t want her child to go to their child’s party. There is a world of difference….

unname · 26/06/2022 06:05

Cancel the check? Sorry!

Deliberately withhold vital information which caused your child to spend time in the hospital seems criminal to me.

Sands123 · 26/06/2022 07:40

The number of people making comments about how your child could have gotten this in the community are missing the point. It's absolutely disgusting that these parents intentionally chose to withhold this information from you. I'd be absolutely fuming in your situation and you are totally warranted in cutting them off.

MamanDeChoix · 26/06/2022 08:09

JustLyra · 25/06/2022 21:09

No offence, but me, the parents involved and my DDs medical team are all confident it came from the sleepover.

No idea how it “sounds to you” that it was already incubating when you know nothing about my DD other than she hadn’t been in contact with the child for over a week.

Ive no need to be educated on chicken pox. Funnily enough having gone through what we did, and previous scares, I know how it works

You've decided this, it makes no difference you don't know this as fact.

And the fact that you're so reluctant to state how many days after the child on the sleepover exhibited cp symptoms suggests to me you realise this, but have now dug a hole....

MamanDeChoix · 26/06/2022 08:13

EvergreenForest · 25/06/2022 21:11

@MamanDeChoix just to correct you it's an incubation period of up to 21 days. Spots can form 1-3 weeks after exposure.

Honestly why are some posters grasping at straws to vindicate a couple who by their own admission knowingly exposed OPs family to CP knowing full well what the repercussions could be.

Because, as you said, the incubation period was up to 21 days and the child had had contact in the 7 days before the sleepover.

The average incubation period for varicella is 14 to 16 days after exposure to a varicella or a herpes zoster rash, with a range of 10 to 21 days. Now obviously there will be those with earlier points, but this is the norm and fits entirely with the earlier contact.

JustLyra · 26/06/2022 08:18

MamanDeChoix · 26/06/2022 08:09

You've decided this, it makes no difference you don't know this as fact.

And the fact that you're so reluctant to state how many days after the child on the sleepover exhibited cp symptoms suggests to me you realise this, but have now dug a hole....

No. I am trying not to be over identifying as I’ve already been identified once.

we know because we know exactly how many people we were all in contact with for the duration.

I’m also not answering stupid questions from people determined to not pick because they think they know better than the people actually involved

OP posts:
JustLyra · 26/06/2022 08:20

the child had had contact in the 7 days before the sleepover.

ive said repeatedly they had no contact for over a week (they’re not at school together and hadn’t seen each other at the weekly activity)

OP posts:
HeelsAtDawn · 26/06/2022 08:21

@MamanDeChoix is there any need for that?