Page 33 | Archie Battersbee case

whynotwhatknot · 2022-06-21T15:32:41+00:00

I was just wondering why we're not allowed to post about this case-the deletion message mentioned it was ongoing so wouldnt be fair to the family Charlie gards case was on going and there was numerous threads about it Anyway if this stands maybe we can discuss

EmeraldShamrock1 · 20/07/2022 22:07

She's running serious risk if not being with him, when he finally does go into cardiac arrest.

This unfortunately is nearly guaranteed.
They'll be left with a lot of regret when the time comes.

I know grief and waiting for a loved one to pass makes you feel crazy but this is going on too long now.

pinkred · 20/07/2022 22:08

Heckythump1 · 20/07/2022 21:42

Oh god .... tonight they've put lemon on his feet for 'nutrient's' 🙄

Ugh I saw that and sighed, his skin will be vulnerable enough without adding acid onto it!

Perplexed0522 · 20/07/2022 23:08

Heckythump1 · 20/07/2022 21:42

Oh god .... tonight they've put lemon on his feet for 'nutrient's' 🙄

Oh God.

I left the group because I was getting lots of abuse from one member (on the page and via private messages) and I do miss seeing the wonderful ‘cures’ that are suggested.

I just can’t believe this is being allowed to happen.

SunflowerGardens · 20/07/2022 23:30

It's extremely hard to hold back on what I want to say on the group but tbh I think 99% of the members there are also quietly casting a critical eye over the goings on at this stage.

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/07/2022 00:52

Exactly how long can this appeal, new judgement to switch off/permit hospital to switch off, appeal again, case to hear if they have the right to appeal, then appeal again... actually go on for?

Where is the end point and how long might that take?

XenoBitch · 21/07/2022 00:56

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/07/2022 00:52

Exactly how long can this appeal, new judgement to switch off/permit hospital to switch off, appeal again, case to hear if they have the right to appeal, then appeal again... actually go on for?

Where is the end point and how long might that take?

I thought the appeal later/tomorrow was an application for it?
It is confusing because nothing Hollie says lines up or makes sense anymore. Story keeps changing.

WingingItSince1973 · 21/07/2022 01:40

whynotwhatknot · 20/07/2022 21:22

if you believed in god like the jehovah witnesses do there wouldnt be any intervention whatsoever

i dont understand the argment shes giving of theres no dignity in turning the machine off

What are you talking about? JWs always seek medical care. They have transplants, operations etc. They have excellent medical care and have led the way for bloodless surgery to be the standard surgeons aim for. Stop believing what you read.

Toddlerteaplease · 21/07/2022 03:58

I'm skeptical about the religious beliefs as well. If there is absolutely no hope then you would want to let him go, to God. And many people who are religious would find comfort in that.

SunflowerGardens · 21/07/2022 06:30

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/07/2022 00:52

Exactly how long can this appeal, new judgement to switch off/permit hospital to switch off, appeal again, case to hear if they have the right to appeal, then appeal again... actually go on for?

Where is the end point and how long might that take?

I think going by the Alfie Evans case (rest in peace dear little soul) there could be another few weeks of applying to Supreme Court for an appeal which will probably be dismissed and European Court of Appeal which will also be dismissed.

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 21/07/2022 07:12

XenoBitch · 21/07/2022 00:56

I thought the appeal later/tomorrow was an application for it?
It is confusing because nothing Hollie says lines up or makes sense anymore. Story keeps changing.

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And thats why people get confused in this case. In court what she says is different too. In the court thing she has said they've accepted he won't wake up yet on Facebook she wants more time so he'll wake up. Maybe it's a way of convincing herself and keeping the page going? Even if the support isn't that great...

Runnerbeansflower · 21/07/2022 07:28

Well, their beliefs started once Archie was in ICU.

They say that Archie had asked to be baptised, and I have no reason to disbelieve them, but they didn't find it important enough to get round to organising it.

So it looks like clutching at straws to me. Which is understandable, any parent would long for a miracle in their situation. I just hope their faith helps when the inevitable happens.

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whynotwhatknot · 21/07/2022 10:10

WingingItSince1973 · 21/07/2022 01:40

What are you talking about? JWs always seek medical care. They have transplants, operations etc. They have excellent medical care and have led the way for bloodless surgery to be the standard surgeons aim for. Stop believing what you read.

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i think youve misunderstood i mean hollie says that God will decide well if thats the case she wouldnt rely on machines to keep him going

she says theres no dignity in turning off a machine and the court is saying its giving him dignity not to sit there technically dead

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nolongersurprised · 21/07/2022 11:00

Toddlerteaplease · 21/07/2022 03:58

I'm skeptical about the religious beliefs as well. If there is absolutely no hope then you would want to let him go, to God. And many people who are religious would find comfort in that.

While a newfound firm religious faith is understandable when faced with mortality - I do think part of it is happening under the watchful eye of the Christian legal group.

At the beginning of this they said they wanted to change the definition of what it means to be dead under UK law, presumably in line with some US states (although they are the minority) where a beating heart can mean a living soul, depending on the faith.

This was actually scuppered by the court making their decision based on “best interests” rather than whether he was dead, but I suspect Archie’s “beating heart” will be referenced again if the appeal is successful.

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whynotwhatknot · 21/07/2022 13:13

im being accused of being cold now because i stated a fact-people keep syaing hes in a coma which isnt true and how do i know am i medical expert

no i read the report given t the court

some people are on another world

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LilacRose30 · 21/07/2022 14:04

His brain is literally falling out of his skull and people think lemons on his feet are going to help? This poor boy needs to be let go with at least some of his dignity intact. Poor Archie wouldn’t believe this circus!

Quia · 21/07/2022 14:17

Parents' lawyer starts off submissions by paying tribute to obvious humanity of Hayden's judgment. I wonder how that plays with all the army members calling him a murderer?

Quia · 21/07/2022 14:22

Appeal grounds, if I understand them correctly:

Decision was driven by medical factors, not a full evaluation if best interests in the wider sense.
Failure to give proper weight to Archie's previously expressed wishes and religious beliefs, and the family's wishes and views.
Failure to carry out a clear and comprehensive evaluation and explanation of the benefits and burdens of continuing life sustaining treatment. With life and death cases there must be a clear and transparent assessment and evaluation of this, and it can't be assumed just because a judge is experienced and has read everything that that he has carried out that process: it needs to be fully set out in the judgment.

Cantanka · 21/07/2022 15:55

The Court of Appeal seem to be really on top of this.

Cantanka · 21/07/2022 16:12

Adjourned till 10:30am tomorrow

Quia · 21/07/2022 17:25

Yes, unfortunate barrister is having to work very hard for his non-existent fee. At one point he said it didn't matter that Archie is getting treatment round the clock and has no dignity left because he's unaware of it. Even he didn't sound too convinced by that one.

Cantanka · 21/07/2022 17:36

Quia · 21/07/2022 17:25

Yes, unfortunate barrister is having to work very hard for his non-existent fee. At one point he said it didn't matter that Archie is getting treatment round the clock and has no dignity left because he's unaware of it. Even he didn't sound too convinced by that one.

Indeed. And when he tried to argue that there is some hope of recovery by pointing to an opinion that there is a less than 1% chance of recovery… and then it turned out this is a 1% chance of “recovering” to be in a persistent vegetative state. A very sombre hearing.

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 21/07/2022 18:15

Someone in the army has questioned why Hollie has said it court its been accepted he is going to die when she didn't say that before..
Except she did! From the first court so be interesting to see how that develops

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whynotwhatknot · 21/07/2022 18:19

unfortunately she says what they want to hear in court then comes out and says the oppsoite

the lawyer doesnt sound too convincing-the family one i mean

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LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 21/07/2022 18:39

whynotwhatknot · 21/07/2022 18:19

unfortunately she says what they want to hear in court then comes out and says the oppsoite

the lawyer doesnt sound too convincing-the family one i mean

Can't see it on there anymore..so either phone being odd or it's been hidden. Intresting if it's been hidden!

Perplexed0522 · 21/07/2022 18:46

I couldn’t believe it when their barrister basically said it didn’t matter what was done to Archie’s body as he couldn’t feel pain anyway.