Archie Battersbee case

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I was just wondering why we're not allowed to post about this case-the deletion message mentioned it was ongoing so wouldnt be fair to the family

Charlie gards case was on going and there was numerous threads about it

Anyway if this stands maybe we can discuss

Have the hospital been able to carry out further brain scans or are they banned from checking the level of deterioration.

I agree his DM feels guilty, who wouldn't as he was very young without much life experience, you'd question every conversation, every wasted moment.

I don't agree with the way it is being dragged through the court system, the truth hurts but this isn't fair to anyone especially Archie.

I was wondering about that as well. There's been no mention about his phone. If he was recording a vid or live.. She really is clutching at straws now. They need to let him go.

It tells you in the court documents. One of the scans showed there was blood going into his brain stem. But the next scan there was no blood going in. Which indicates brain stem death.

Videos tonight on both pages showing Archie's monitor - Hollie thinks he might be trying to breathe over the ventilator. Certainly a miracle if true, some DFA commentators seems sceptical.

Interestingly, Ella asked DFA to post the videos in a private chat 🤔

I watched it - it’s really sad. He’s not breathing over the ventilator, of course.

There’s a recorded voice encouraging the listeners to breathe deeply. Sometimes when the voice says “deeply in” in coincides with the inspiratory component of the ventilator. The ventilator is obviously in a steady pattern and so is the voice on the recording.

I keep saying this but I don’t think Hollie is mentally well at the moment.

I’ve watched the video. The ‘breathing noises’ are actually on the audio recording that is being played in the background - not the sounds of Archie’s ventilator which are quieter and steady.

yes it is telling that his dad is never around on her interviews.
but i havent seen the video but she shows the monitor - is that not different?

'I keep saying this but I don’t think Hollie is mentally well at the moment.'

Yeah probably not - I know she's brought this on herself but it's like a kind of prolonged torture. Enough to affect anyone's mental health.

From what they said previously, when his situation wasn’t nearly as precarious, simply moving him to the MRI scan department is incredibly difficult and could, in itself, lead to massive deterioration requiring resuscitation (which is now no longer an option since the placing of the DNAR by Hayden J on July 11th)

but i havent seen the video but she shows the monitor - is that not different?

it’s a recording of his ventilator monitor - the top loops show pressure, the second flow curves and the third volume.

These parameters are dialled into the ventilator (well, not literally dialled anymore, the technology is way better now) and are based on age, weight and by blood gas results. If, for example, his carbon dioxide is low low he’s being over ventilated and the settings will be changed.

The depressing thing about it is that it’s very very steady - the machine is doing all the respiratory effort. The breath frequency and volumes are all pretty much the same. Spontaneous breaths, when they occur, show up as different, more irregular loops interspersed between the ventilator-induced breaths. Archie doesn’t have these.

Hollie is playing a recording of someone saying doing some sort of breath therapy, and it’s also rhythmical and steady. Sometimes when the voice gives an instruction to breath of coincides with inspiration on the ventilator. Hollie is interpreting this as Archie breathing on command 😢

she is delusioned?

Presumably her lawyers feel that she has capacity to give instructions so would appear not?

grief stricken then ?

Some of the stuff she’s posted though - she thinks the hospital is starving him, sedating him without her consent, that his residual issues are solely due to malnutrition, stating that Archie’s scans aren’t his.

As well as the video of him “looking”, with fixed, dilated dead eyes and this one of the ventilator.

At which point does acute grief tip over into reduced capacity? What a nightmare for her legal team.

Cross post!

I'm just not sure she is suffering from a mental illness. At her appeal (in particular) she had a very experienced QC and nothing of the sort has been raised by her legal team. Either previously at the appeals or subsequently. She comes across very eloquently in interviews but maybe she is masking it from everyone? But yet her family around her all claim it too? Grief clearly does crazy things to people.

@FergusSingsTheBluess
"I do wonder how much psychological
help was made available for his family when he was admitted. It’s become a completely gruesome farce which I think covid have been avoided."

Apparently none. The doctors referred to him as a corpse and treated him as such from day two. On day three they wanted the machines switched off. Lessons should definitely be learned from this. We have teams who work with expectant mothers whose babies won't survive long after birth. We have bereavement teams in hospitals. Someone should have been appointed to introduce themselves to the family, then work with the doctors, then the family again. Tests should have been agreed to before it got to court. Hollie hasn't been ready to let him go. There should have been massive amounts of intervention before the crazies got to her.

I'm just not sure she is suffering from a mental illness

She can present sensibly in court and in interviews but seems completely detached from reality in her posts on social media.

But she will be having massive amounts of contact with her lawyers (the guardian who is independent and would have mentioned it) Her lawyers will be aware of the social media posts. I'm not sure you can hide it for so long.

Can't say for sure whether he put in a breath without actually being there at the time. Condensation collects in vent tubing and if you have a loop of the tubing hanging down it can pool there. This fluid can swing when the breath goes in and out and sometimes the vent will register this intermittent blocking of the tube as a pressure change and display this fluid movement as a patient triggered breath. Soon as you remove the water its resolved.

So the social media stuff is just performative?

So does this actually mean anything or is it just a coinsidence? Cause I'd imagine someone nurse or doctor would say something to her if it did..

@Ponoka7

Apparently none. The doctors referred to him as a corpse and treated him as such from day two. On day three they wanted the machines switched off.

Source for this? These are incredibly serious and damaging claims.

I'm incredibly skeptical that doctors treating him would have been referring to him as a corpse.

You second claim doesn't make sense - if they were "treating him as a corpse" they wouldn't have "wanted the machines switched off" - there wouldn't have been interventions in place. It's also pretty obvious this isn't true when you look at the sheer amout of life supporting intervention, medication, and care he's been recieving for three month.

This is an incredibly sad case and making it worse by spreading misinformaton about healthcare staff doesn't help anyone.

If Archie was triggering the ventilator on his own the nurses and drs would be the first to notice. They don't want him to die.

On day three they wanted the machines switched off

Which would have been infinitely better than ventilating a dead body for 3 1/2 months. For Archie and Hollie. How has this time period been helpful for her?

Hollie invited the social media storm, the gofundme (? For what? ) was set up very early on as were the media appearances.