Archie Battersbee case

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I was just wondering why we're not allowed to post about this case-the deletion message mentioned it was ongoing so wouldnt be fair to the family

Charlie gards case was on going and there was numerous threads about it

Anyway if this stands maybe we can discuss

I also feel for the nurses who are obviously coming in and being chatty and humane by saying things like 'he doesn't like being on his right side!' Hollie reads way too much into that... they're just being nice.

@HuffleWoof I would hope that the powers that be, will have given parents a formal warning not to film staff without their knowledge or consent. Senior staff in my hospital come down very hard on parents who do this.

Its all so incredibly selfish. I feel for the poor staff who must be incredibly intimidated. This must be costing the NHS a fortune in legal fees. Money that could be used helping those who actually do have a chance. Is there anything that can be done to stop legal cases like this from happening? It feels like we are becoming more and more like America when it comes to hospital legal cases.

Is that the carers for competence guy who's been spreading the story about Justice Hayden's fictional autobiography?

The thing that frustrates me with the facebook group is how hard it pushes the narrative that it couldn't have been a suicide attempt because Hollie is a wonderful mum and he was amazingly happy, sucessful exactly.

It's just a shitty, uninformed perspective of child mental health. Imagine if they put their efforts into campaigning for better CAMH services in the UK (i.e., not waiting until crisis point), and targeted support for those with ADHD. Raising the profile of neurodiverse children who are vulnerable to these issues.

Children who appear happy can struggle with their mental health. If your child has MH issues or attempts suicide, it is not the families fault

I work in a different icu but we have access to psychologists and there will be a lot of support for staff.

The issue will be is if (when) the 'army' try to remove him from icu like AE and CG, the peace protest that ended with riot police and some random people driving up from London to Liverpool to livestream it from their car and got sent 4k in go fund me to do so and eat etc.

The 'army' brought a bouncy castle and set it up in the middle of a dual carriageway opposite the hospital and left behind so much litter and beer bottles. I didn't work there but I knew people who did.

Also what is the Archie's family raising money for exactly?

Legal fees... Covered by Christian concern
Medical bills... nhs
Accommodation... nhs

Ella carter commented on dignity for all's page that she and Archie's brother have booked a holiday to Thailand in the last 2 days. Was she just trolling?

i cant belive what she said utside court

that theyre lying about him not being responsive and his bp went up when she walks in the room -shes now accusing them all of making things up

its gone way too far im sorry for her but comeon

@SunflowerGardens yes! That's the one! Who also said that random people in the army should try and work out who works in icu and report them to the nmc for murdering a child

The only person legally qualified on their case is their barrister and he needs to be looked into as well I think.

Both Ian Wise and Edward Devereux, the QCs who have represented Hollie Dance, are entirely reputable barristers and are subject to the cab rank rule - i.e. they have to take the brief if offered it, and of course having done so they present the case to the best of their ability. Edward Devereux clearly did a very good job in formulating and presenting the appeal, and I think his arguments were correct.

@Quia my apologies I stand corrected. However the clc are still charlatans

@Toddlerteaplease yes in the case of the child I cared for on my unit. Head of nursing fame and spoke to the family and explained what a huge safeguarding concern it is. I don't think it stopped them doing it though, just like Archie's family.

The whole thing is hideous

Not really. It's the hospital that started this case, because the parents wouldn't agree to taking Archie off the ventilator. To prevent this sort of case you would have to say that hospitals must have the power to override relatives' wishes, which would obviously be incredibly dangerous. There needs to be some form of neutral arbitration available and an appeal system.

His mum had been in the press before about the fact no school would accept him because of his challenging behaviour.
He definitely had issues.. and it is sad she is denial and writing them off on account of a fictional Tik Tok challenge. She has other kids. I feel sorry for them.

It's a very odd one, that. It woud be highly unusual for a senior judge to publish an autobiography before retirement. I am not sure they are even allowed to. I bet that creature has got the wrong Hayden.

Apparently there was a post earlier telling people how they can remove themselves from the organ donor register - yet the transcript says that Archie is having blood transfusions and they are happy to accept them.

Horrendous. Saw Mum’s interview on BBC (instead of going back to hospital) and she clearly wants to exhaust the court system.

What really irks me is how the family say that if Archie has a cardiac arrest and passes, then it will be God's will.

I personally don't believe in God but if there is one, he's already made his decision has he not? The only thing keeping poor little Archie alive is the machines and interventions by the hospital.

If the family really believe, and want to leave it up to God, then they should allow the hospital to remove the ventilator and leave it up to God....

Someone needs to help mum accept what is going on. It's gone back to needing time so he can wake up and see the extent of the damage and the hopsital lied in court about his blood pressure etc. Know shouldn't judge but doesn't seem the time to be doing more interviews. Especially if its time you won't get back with him.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of 'edgy' TikTok challenge around pretending to hang yourself. TikTok is an absolute cesspit, and 'blackout' games of some sort have been around at least since I was a child. But there was no mention of any phone or recording equipment involved.

Slight reveal here, but speaking as a sociologist whose speciality is digital media, please keep your children off TikTok if you possibly can. It isn't comparable to Facebook, LiveJournal, MySpace or even Instagram. It's nothing like the social media we had growing up. Its sinister, and its designed that way.

On yesterday's BBC interview, Hollie Dance was asked whether she accepted that the only reason Archie is breathing is that he's on the ventilator. She basically said no, and came up with something rather confused about newborn's natural instinct to start breathing.

What I didn't understand - and wish she had been asked as a follow-up - is that if that is the case, what is her objection to his being taken off the ventilator?

Her responses are full of defiance refusing to be anyway reasonable or acknowledging the facts.

I could understand her frustration in the early days.

It's very weird.

I personally don't want intervention if I'm passed the point of any quality of life in recovery.

I'd have to really think hard for my DC.

I know two people whose life was saved after intervention and time ventilated after brain injuries.

I wouldn't say either of them have any quality of life they're both in full-time care completely incapacitated.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of 'edgy' TikTok challenge around pretending to hang yourself

Maybe. But it was only suggested to Hollie by her sister because Hollie couldn’t fathom what had happened, and Hollie latched onto it thereafter.

I wonder how many other children have had to be diverted to another hospital, or had serious surgery postponed while Archie’s lifeless body has been kept alive?

@Lunarpsychobitch as my dad would say, they are keeping him from God.

He's a wise man.

This is such a sad case and I really do feel for the family, even though I completely disagree with their choices.

oh i have just seen this page has been reinstated.

this always upsets me as my own dd did some sort of black out challenge, she caused herself to faint by holding her breath, as a 12 year old.

i totally agree
this is just how carers/nurses talk