Archie Battersbee case

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I was just wondering why we're not allowed to post about this case-the deletion message mentioned it was ongoing so wouldnt be fair to the family

Charlie gards case was on going and there was numerous threads about it

Anyway if this stands maybe we can discuss

They are trying to discredit him now by digging up everything in his past. One army member mentioned him trying to smother his sister with a pillow?
I have no idea where that even came from.

Just seen that. Apparently it came from his autobiography which has now vanished...wonder if this was a dream one of them had!

Are they saying he should just go into cardiac arrest and pass away? But not be taken off the ventilatior as that's taking it away from his time being decided by god/himself

That seems to be about the size of it, and if his body fails before this process ends I can just see the Army maniacs yelling "You showed them, Archie, by doing it yourself!!"

It's just such a shame that their emotional incontinence comes first, leaving poor Archie's dignity nowhere - a shame too that when it's over they'll scamper straight to the next drama and be no use to the family at all

But surely that's worse. Least if all signs point to him being gone already then you can prepare yourself and be there for him. Rather then it coming all of a sudden.

I know its hard and guess they have their beliefs but for his sake and probably theirs...

@Clarabe1 I think some twelve year olds would discuss it. But have little understanding of the full implications. Though his actions that day rather go against his desire to look after his mum.

I am not buying this tik tok challenge thing. Nobody has found evidence it exists. Wouldn’t he have been filming himself anyway? .I am choosing to believe it was an accident.I have no idea how she will get through the inquest I really don’t.

Same. He was found hanging from 7/8ft above the ground. That is not a challenge, that is not a gesture.. that is a successful suicide attempt.

It's so clear half the Facebook group have no idea of his prognosis. Recommending transferring to TBI unit!

One of the blokes on that Facebook group is the one who turned up to Alderhey with bottles of o2 and a plane face mask to try and transport Alfie evans to Italy.

It's going to be a real shit show when they lose all appeals.

Tbf if it helps his mum to think it was a tiktok challenge rather than a suicide attempt ,then it don't think it matters .

I think an application for leave to appeal is inevitable, and they may be allowed it simply because that's what the courts tend to do in end of life cases. I guess there's a feeling that no-one wants to send out the message that a child's life support is being switched off without every possible avenue having been thoroughly explored.

@Clarabe1 no I don't think it does. Itv had to apologise when Philip schofield said it was TikTok because TikTok threatened to sue them for slander.

There has always been a hoax of a black out challenge like slender man, it doesn't exist.

Archie, by his mums admission was hugely into mma, gymnastics, sports and rap music, not teddies and baby things. I know I would be mortified if my mum out a photo of me in a coma and a nappy on social media and I'm not a 12 year old boy!

I feel for the staff so much. I know they'll have a good diebrief team with psychologists but it's so difficult to do your job with someone filming you.

Least if all signs point to him being gone already then you can prepare yourself and be there for him. Rather then it coming all of a sudden

I get where you're coming from, but he is gone already in every way that matters, and were it not for the machines the funeral would have happened and the family could have started on the journey to their new reality

Whereas at the moment further anguish is beinng piled on top of the grief they must already feel

I agree with this. She’s been projecting life on to a dead body for months. That recording of his dead, dilated, filmy eyes “looking” at things is macabre.

I don’t blame her either but I blame the people around her.

i didn’t realise Ella had only known Archie for a matter of weeks before all this. How odd.

i also find it odd how there are so many pictures, from a range of ages, of Archie with his shirt off and posing.

Tbf if it helps his mum to think it was a tiktok challenge rather than a suicide attempt ,then it don't think it matters

It’ll only help if there’s any evidence of it though - in the absence of any it’ll just contribute to Hollie’s denial.

And its sad there's no one it seems guiding them to this reality. Judge makes a statement..its all a conspiracy because of his past cases. Hopsital say something..theyre out to get him. There doesn't seem to be a voice of reason! And I get its hard to come to terms with it all but surely at some point you have to rather then seeing everyone who speaks against as being evil.

The idiotic thing is that they've been exhorting Archie to wake up and walk away for at least two months. If he hasn't responded to their exhortations so far, why would he now?

JESUS WEPT.

This is just madness. I can see the bind the staff are in - but, the blood I donate is a gift for the living.

Unless there's plenty of blood to go round (unlikely) they need to stop the transfusions now and save them for others

@Puzzledandpissedoff I agree with you. I think the government needs to reinstate legal aid for complicated family matters like this one so people aren't taken advantage of by Christian bloody concern. I say that as the daughter of a vicar and someone who does have a faith the Christian legal centre are disgusting.

Pavel Stroilov who represented alfie evans' dad was a law student and encouraged him to bring private prosecutions for murder against the drs and nurses who cared for his child. He's also 'assisting' this case. The only person legally qualified on their case is their barrister and he needs to be looked into as well I think.

The Solicitors Regulatory Authority can't shut down the clc because they're not solicitors, it's not a law firm, it's not a charity. It's a not for profit organisation. It's so dodgy.

I'm going to link an article by nearly legal on the clc and pavel Stroilov. Nearly legal is a very well respected source

nearlylegal.co.uk/2018/04/on-the-naughty-step-the-questionable-ethics-of-the-christian-legal-centre/amp/

The group is bonkers. If either parent had come out and said they'd agreed with the decision no doubt the posts be along the lines of 'well done they made the right one' it's the suggestions that are bizzare! That he'll just wake up and be okay!

It seems that he carried a lot on his little shoulders in life.

I understand medical staff have no choice but to continue care the conversations they have with Hollie while visiting the ward must be difficult.

As a group they're throwing shit everywhere over facing the truth - I thought that the Judge was sensitive and kind in the judgement.

@EmeraldShamrock1 Id imagine there is a family member with Archie at all times, videoing staff, recording everything.

He was moved to a room near the nurses station because of how challenging he is to care for and so more people can see what's going on. (Very early post on the group I'll see if I can find that).

When we had similar we had a strict 'you must take your breaks' policy and everyone rallied around the staff member. It's so hard. However he did their child so it's understandable but to go in and have someone tell you if you don't do something the way they want it done they're reporting you to the nmc or accusing you of pulling out the ventilator, you can't imagine the stress.

My heart goes out to all of those caring for Archie in hospital. I know how it feels to be caring for a patient when you know it is futile and how day after day is just gets worse. It is a huge moral burden, to be doing things to a patient when you know there is no chance at all of survival and to keep having to do it. I hope they are being well supported.

The staff have my sincerest sympathy

I hope the NHS provide decent counselling for the trauma the staff face.