Archie Battersbee case

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I was just wondering why we're not allowed to post about this case-the deletion message mentioned it was ongoing so wouldnt be fair to the family

Charlie gards case was on going and there was numerous threads about it

Anyway if this stands maybe we can discuss

They've done this the whole time. They say one thing in court and another thing on their Facebook page. And yet another thing on those Christian articles and videos. The whole things been very poorly managed but this is what happens when you won't listen to doctors/lawyers/judges and rely on your sons 20 year old girlfriend to steer your legal case for some inexplicable reason (she confirmed today she doesn't study law)

i dont get the 2 different coments either theyre jsut saying what the think the court wants to hear then going back and saying the opposite because thats what they truly beleive or what?

I think we're at a point where we need stronger laws surrounding social media and how it can be used tbh.

I agree there should be a registration, twitter would be silent.

These groups are awful, they don’t care about his DM building her up to fight.

Delusional brain washers.

It's insane.

The whole thing is out of hand and it always is with these cases. Alfie Evans, Charlie Gard, a few more I'm sure I've forgotten... It's a many headed monster with these cases.

First off, parental rights versus parental responsibility. As a parent, you do not necessarily have your child's best interests at heart. You do not necessarily have the knowledge to make overarching decisions in some areas. It doesn't matter how much you love your child, or if you're doing it for 'them,' your child's best interests are what counts. Your child will always be your child but when you're blinkered by emotion, mental health, religion or whatever reason it may be, "it's my child," doesn't trump your child's best interests.

And not knowing what's best for your child doesn't make you a bad parent, just one who need's guidance. The bottom line is that you don't have to be abusive, a horrible person or insane for a court or third party to have to step in. However, a lot of this so called army seem to think loving your child equals having parental rights in any situation, as long as it's from a place of love.

Secondly, social media. I'm convinced that people love the grief circus and being grief vultures. It's like a club of social media tourism off the back of a dead or dying child. They make bracelets, post infographics, fundraise for a financial cause no one really seems certain of and make ridiculous suggestions like, "we can get Jeremy Kyle involved!" (I wish I was joking.)

I don't know why. Perhaps it's genuine outrage at the idea of parents only having responsibility, versus the perceived, indefinite rights some people believe they should have no matter what, because they're a parent. Perhaps it's the emotional volatility of the situation concerning dead and/or dying children. I'm also inclined to think it's somewhat to do with comprehension, ie, some people in these cases can genuinely read a hopeless medical summary and come away believing the child is still going to wake up and be completely fine.

I think a huge number of these people genuinely believe Archie and all the children in the aforementioned cases are being preyed on by doctors and that it's all big some conspiracy of the state trying to kill their child. When in reality, there are times when parents blinded by love- not hatred, abuse or bad parenting- need intervention from the state because loving your child does not equal knowing what is best for them.

@XenoBitch Right. Of course the customs around treatment of the dead can be radically different, culture to culture, but the point is that it's respectful and right within that culture. At first I was fairly sympathetic to Hollie but now I find what she's doing quite horrifying and I don't think for one second that it's within the bounds of what 'any parent' (or, to be frank, 'most parents') would do, and this display of this process on social media makes it a thousand times worse. Archie's contemporaries at school are seeing this photographs. And the poor staff. They must be traumatised.The only saving grace is that unlike in some of the previous cases, Archie is not suffering. I've read the reports. Archie has been indisputably dead for quite some time now.

I think we're at a point where we need stronger laws surrounding social media and how it can be used tbh

Good luck with that; like so many tools it can be used for good or ill, but it's a Panndora's Box that now can't be closed

By the way somone's just pointed out to me that Hollie Dance isn't mum's real name and I wondered if anyone knew why and when it came to be changed?

@Puzzledandpissedoff I don't know when or why she changed her name but her previous name has been revealed on other forums and googling it brings up some results that I suspect she was trying to distance herself from.

Ah, thanks GigantosaurusRex - I did'nt know that so will go and have a look

@GigantosaurusRex could you tell me the name of the other forums that have her previous name on there please?

She said she changed it when she separated from her husband because it was cheaper than a divorce (I'm sure I read that but I can't find the post now!) She was a pole dancer so I presume Hollie Dance was her professional name - her name was Lisa and you will see people she knows personally calling her Lisa on the group sometimes.

@Hamsternautss I've pm'd you

Surely you'd just change your surname then? not your whole name? and her surname was the same as Archie's Dad's anyway? That story doesn't add up at all!

If you google her previous name you will see her criminal convictions.

You will also see various local news articles regarding her family and unfortunate events relating to pharmacies giving out incorrect prescription drugs, glass from phones boxes relating to injuries and horses being spooked by loud noises.

@Heckythump1 it seems to be one story one day and a whole other one the next about various things to be honest so who knows. Holly did interviews saying Archie played a prank on her with their rabbit then she told him to put it away, checked a few texts in her bedroom and went out to find him hanging. Then after court the other week the BBC reported that she'd left the house and found him on her return. The inquest will be interesting - some people think the family are trying to postpone it for some reason but sounds a bit far fetched to me.

I’ve just seen it suggested that the family contact Dr Phil to see if he can help.

I cannot accept there are people who are this stupid.

And Jeremy Kyle. I know they feel they can help but seriously..

Do wonder if the reason for this whole joining in is so they feel apart of something and if the did win the case then members of the 'army' can feel they've played some of part in it. I dont feel they can believe the suggestions they made and if they do its concerning.

And not being horrible, but the majority come across as quite uneducated… poor spelling, poor grammar, poor sentence structure, poor understanding, lots of ranting and swearing and having ridiculous ideas and thought processes.

That can’t be a coincidence.

The one blessing in all of this is that when the ventilator stops he won’t gasp or make breathing movements, he’ll just slip away quietly.

Once the ventilator stops pumping his lungs there’s enough oxygen actually dissolved in the body to keep the heart beating for potentially up to 30min or so, but it won’t be longer than that.

The hard part for parents, I think, is that they become accustomed to all of the monitors and reactions to changes in the monitors - and then the entire focus just changes.

I hope someone is helping Hollie to work through what is going to come. Normally the hospital would help with this, but it sounds as though relationships have irretrievably broken down

Thank you for clarifying that, nolongersurprised; some posts had suggested a traumatic passing for Archie, which I'd have thought unlikely, but then I have no knowledge of these things so couldn't have said

And yes, uggmum, I found the same things you did when I googled, but it may be best not to mention it on here if only to prevent the thread being deleted

Someone on the barmy army was comparing Archie to babies with twin to twin transfusion syndrome yesterday..... the mind boggles!

Yeah I think speculation about the family was why the last thread was deleted, although lots of stuff is out and openly discussed now.

yes lets not go into all the history f the family it will go ot and maybe deleted again

i didnt even know she had changed her name thought it was a maiden name

theres still comments on news articles saying doctors are wrong id fight them aswell and loadsof links to people who woke up from comas which isnt the same at all

@Puzzledandpissedoff
Yes. I agree. Hope I haven't overstepped the mark.

I tried to keep it entirely factual.

So it's gone back again to the narrative of he isn't brain dead..doctors are wrong. I know the parents are desperate and just clutching at straws but there must be some evidence to prove it.
Though guess she doesn't believe what those hopsital doctors tell her.

Ideally but probably not for him a independent doctor should be able to access. Like the other girl but even then if the outcome is the same would it be enough proof or more proof or corruption and whatever else

i think its a terrible thing to lie to the courts if thats what shes doing-don know if thats encouraged byt the christian group or herself-not gong to do any favours