To be relieved the world is starting to see some sense?

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Fina bars transgender swimmers from women's elite events if they went through male puberty www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/61853450

"It’s a personal identity. There aren’t any defining criteria."

So a man is entitled to walk into a hospital with lower abdominal pain and ask for a scan to check for ovarian cysts? For endometriosis? Can he book a smear test with his local nurse? Should he join his local breastfeeding group? Can he book an antenatal scan if he thinks he's pregnant?

Of course "woman" is not a personal identity.
It is a LIVED REALITY based on your biology.

If the man in question would be wasting everyone's time and resources by doing any of the above, why would that be?
What is it about them that means they will never NEED any of the above?
The defining criteria is obviously a biological one.

Woman is "anyone who says they are a woman" is a tired old circular trope.
It is utterly meaningless.

Woman is "anyone who says they are a woman" is a tired old circular trope.
It is utterly meaningless.

Add dehumanising and fucking offensive to that as well.

The opening list of don't at me's demonstrates the worry writers have when publishing opinions on this.

Have I picked up a point incorrectly: is Australia issuing birth certs with "intersex" rather than female or male?

I noted the language creep from TW to female. Generally by swapping between M2F and F, it leads to reader confusion as the casual reader will read a female excluded form the Female races.

This thread also has a simple repeditive example of using people to hide from using the word man/male. If anyone is unsure of why the attack on language is so important reading the article and replace the various options used with man or woman.

The gloss over:
female swimmers are automatically excluded from female races when they are medicating (doping) as T provides compeditive advantage.

female swimmers are only allowed to dope to a limited degree when opting into the male races. This limit is on health grounds.

To add to my previous post, once you've made the word for half the population of the World utterly meaningless it is a piece of piss to remove their rights or for them to have anything purely for themselves as recent and immediate events show.

what you believe women and trans women have in common, if it is not a shared identity?

Some trans women are seen as and treated as women by those around them.
I know a born woman lesbian who has often been read as male, an experience she doesn’t have in common with most women.

Eesh. Quite a lot to unpick there.

1. What does being treated like a woman mean? In situations where someone's sex isn't directly relevant, e.g. abortion rights, why would we treat men and women differently? That seems pretty sexist to me.
2. If women are treated differently to men in situations where sex isn't relevant, women are invariably treated worse than men. But trans women are only treated differently to men because they choose to present themselves as women. Women don't choose to be treated worse than men and we can't self ID our way out of it.
3. Trans women aren't actually treated like women. That's because the world is divided into people who don't acknowledge them as women, and people who do acknowledge them as women. But those who do acknowledge them as women tend to treat them better than they actually treat women. See how Lia Thomas is treated compared to the female swimmers, for example. Yes, ironically, the people who insist the most fervently that trans women are women actually treat trans women with...male privilege.

No, but she isn't male. If she is perceived as male, she might escape some of the female socialisation crap, but only as long as she is not recognised as female. If she is, she'll get crap for being gender non conforming in a way a man wouldn't be. Being female will be relevant.

How she presents and appears will also make no difference in issues such as abortion bans and maternity rights in the workplace.

Even if she came out as a transman and fully transitioned, she would still need to take hormones, with associated health risks for her female body, and have major surgeries with all the accompanying risks and side effects. Not something any non-transitioning man has to endure.

She's female and it's going to shape her life and impact her choices and experiences. How she identifies won't change that fact.