To be relieved the world is starting to see some sense?

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Fina bars transgender swimmers from women's elite events if they went through male puberty www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/61853450

And to the person continually asserting that they are a cat - I won’t lose any sleep if that is how you choose to identify.

Meow! 🐾

I think the difference between me and all of you is that how someone identifies doesn’t fill me with vitriol or unsubstantiated fears around women’s safety.

Trans women are women 💕

@StolenCookie Why won't you answer the question about what you believe women and trans women have in common, if it is not a shared identity?

What did parliament do with it?

@StolenCookie do you think all people of a certain age should have cervical smears and prostate checks? Or do you think it might be a bit pointless to waste time trying to check the condition of body parts that don't exist and that only the people at risk of cervical cancer have smears and only the people at risk of prostate cancer have prostate checks? If the later how to you propose to split the two groups? If the former where do you suggest the nurse shoves the speculum when faced with a penis?

You are the worst authority we've ever had on here on what makes something credible. If it's so obviously such a load of rubbish, why not read it and refute it?

Read it, for a start.

Transwomen are male. I don't see them as any different to any other male in that a male is more likely to assault me than a female.

If a man or a transwomen are walking down the street behind me my perception of threat is the same. Females I don't feel anywhere near as much of a threat to me.

Except, they're not 🤷‍♀️. It's really that simple.

I think the difference between me and all of you is that how someone identifies doesn’t fill me with vitriol or unsubstantiated fears around women’s safety.

Its not about vitriol or fear

But don't you see the implications for women when male bodies move into their sports? Or spaces where they might be triggered by make bodies like refuges or rape counselling?

Or do you just not care about the implications for those women? They're just not important in your eyes - is that it?

Male bodies

This thread has now got totally derailed. At least the FINA ruling means that the Lia Thomas's of the world, who did compete as men, so must have gone through male puberty, can no longer encroach on our spaces.

I am tempted to tell them to man up, and find something else they can be successful in, since they are not up to standard in the sporting arena.

Scream transphobe at me if you wish - like TERF it's now becoming a badge of honour.

I think the difference between me and all of you is that how someone identifies doesn’t fill me with vitriol or unsubstantiated fears around women’s safety

such utter utter bollocks…ironically 😀

The derailing was worth it because it shows perfectly the arrant stupidity and dishonesty that is the inevitable consequence of this ideology, and what it ultimately causes people to justify. It isn't actually possible to defend it, as Cookies has so brilliantly shown for the last day and night.

I'm honestly not convinced that Cookies isn't some brilliant double agent who's actually here to expose the movement for the load of cobblers that it is. I couldn't have done it better. Tinker tailor soldier terf.

www.smh.com.au/sport/fina-rules-will-leave-some-devastated-that-does-not-mean-they-are-wrong-20220623-p5avyw.html

An article from the Sydney Herald which you might find interesting.

If you start engaging in good faith and answering the questions I asked you you can come back and ask that again.

They are men with a serious psychological issue. It’s not clear if that increases or decreases their propensity to violence, or does neither.

Going by their threats to women on Twitter my starting assumption is that they are far more dangerous than other men.

They're certainly more dangerous if they're allowed unfettered access to women's spaces while scores of simpletons call for us to respect them getting their knobs out there. What worries us isn't their innate sense of self.

@StolenCookie What is the difference between a trans woman and a violent non trans man saying he is trans in order to enter what should be a women only space? How can we tell the difference? How can we let one in and keep the other out? It is possible to have grave and serious concerns about the repercussions of opening female spaces to non females without thinking all trans women are dangerous. It's possible to be distressed and triggered by seeing a penis without said penis being used to commit an assault (indeed it is possible to be triggered by the presence of a male body in what should be a female space without so much as a fleeting glimpse of a knob penis.

By declaring that any man who says he is a woman is welcome in female spaces you are putting out the red carpet for every pervert, psychopath, paedophile and misogynistic murderer * to say 'I feel like a woman' and be given free reign to waltz into women's spaces.

For the avoidance doubt by those who like to triple jump to conclusions I am not suggesting that all trans women fall into any/all of these categories. I am pointing out that if the definition of women we use is 'umm, err it's very tricky, you can't actually define it but if a man says they are one then that's good enough for me' then there is literally nothing to stop any* man declaring that he is in fact a women. How do you propose to stop bad men from exploiting this massive loophole?

They didn’t do anything with it did they…

They decided not to introduce self ID and reform the Gender Recognition Act along the lines of your moronic, intellectually dishonest and lazy, logically absurd, pro sex offending insanity. Because the evidence was clear that it was dangerous.

And they took verbal evidence from the study authors as well. It's all out there. But what do we expect from someone who can't enter "lia thomas changing room" into Google, or read the articles when given a link? And then just states they don't believe the story when they can't avoid it any more?

What does that prove? That evidence is useless for agenda-driven, wilfully ignorant, obtuse people who want knobs out in female spaces?

Oh my goodness. What have I just read folks?!?! 😂😂😂*

Zero chance this is not a fella.

A few weeks off giving birth, in this heat, yet jovially engaging in endless back and forth with randoms on the Internet. So sprightly and always delivered with a sense of humour 😍🥰😍

My arse.

Have you ever actually encountered a heavily pregnant woman in the summer heat?

Again. My arse. Nice try though.

*excessive use of emojis and punctuation to prove I am definitely a woman.

And when it is too late our ardent feminist Cookie will just expect you to take one for the team as they expect those being forced to change alongside Lia to do and it will be justified with one or more of the following phrases:

If men want to rape/sexually assault you they will anyway

What about the fact you share spaces with lesbians

Meaning - women have no right to safety, privacy and dignity ever because the feelings of men are paramount and let's just shoehorn lesbians in there because OMG they are sexually attracted to women -misogyny and homophobia all wrapped up in a nice neat bundle.

You forgot the racist trope
Excluding transwomen is just like excluding black women.

Yep. Ridiculous and racist.

I am white.

I have something in common with all black women. They are female, like me.

What do I have in common with trans women?