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Father’s Day if you have two mums

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Africa2004 · 19/06/2022 09:33

My daughter has two mums. We have a good relationship with her preschool & it’s never been an issue.
This Father’s Day they produced photos of each of the children holding signs dedicated to their daddy (a few said grandad). They posted these on social media. My child was the only one holding a sign dedicated to nobody, she looked very happy in the photo but it really upset me.
I can’t decide whether it’s no big deal or whether they should’ve asked/just put mummy or not posted on social media?

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JustAnotherMillennial · 19/06/2022 10:25

MiniatureHotdog · 19/06/2022 10:15

So no one can do anything in case someone is upset by it? That sounds like progress.

I appreciate that some children have different circumstances at home, and schools/nurseries should take that into account, but the vast majority of children do have both parents, and why should they miss out on making cards etc? It doesn't have to be a big thing.

Our school does mothers and fathers day things, but just advertises them as "mother's day or special person" etc.

Because children who are raised by a solo parent have it much tougher in life, they are more likely to suffer depression, substance abuse, lower educational achievements etc. They miss out more in life growing up without a parent, than children growing up with two parents not being able to write a father's / mother's day card.

dancingintomondays · 19/06/2022 10:31

I don't like the idea of erasing days like this because it is difficult for some. That takes us down a dodgy road of everyone being offended by everything.

This. You deliberately chose to create a fatherless (or motherless) child. That's a decision you made on behalf of your child. Just because you don't believe your child wants or needs to acknowledge a father doesn't mean you get it to make it on behalf of everyone else's.

Comedycook · 19/06/2022 10:33

dancingintomondays · 19/06/2022 10:31

I don't like the idea of erasing days like this because it is difficult for some. That takes us down a dodgy road of everyone being offended by everything.

This. You deliberately chose to create a fatherless (or motherless) child. That's a decision you made on behalf of your child. Just because you don't believe your child wants or needs to acknowledge a father doesn't mean you get it to make it on behalf of everyone else's.

Wow....what a piece of work you are. Disgusting comment. Shame on you.

Friendship101 · 19/06/2022 10:33

dancingintomondays · 19/06/2022 10:31

I don't like the idea of erasing days like this because it is difficult for some. That takes us down a dodgy road of everyone being offended by everything.

This. You deliberately chose to create a fatherless (or motherless) child. That's a decision you made on behalf of your child. Just because you don't believe your child wants or needs to acknowledge a father doesn't mean you get it to make it on behalf of everyone else's.

100%

marcopront · 19/06/2022 10:34

WaterBottle123 · 19/06/2022 10:25

@Artwodeetoo

No I can't speak for them all. My point is WHY RISK IT?

The kindest and safest thing to do is not make cards, schools need to focus on education

What about the child who has lost their mother and sees the media hype for Father's Day and has no one to help them make a card for their Dad?
We let that child be upset instead.

I think it is better to acknowledge it carefully then ignore it.

Artwodeetoo · 19/06/2022 10:40

WaterBottle123 · 19/06/2022 10:25

@Artwodeetoo

No I can't speak for them all. My point is WHY RISK IT?

The kindest and safest thing to do is not make cards, schools need to focus on education

There's still value in making cards- writing, designing, not everything is writing in exercise books. My dad died when I was very young, I loved making cards for him even though I knew I'd never physically get to hand it to him. I wasn't hiding trauma or nodding along, it's sad for children who don't feel they can speak up and say they don't want to or whatever, I'm sure most teachers consider their class and their circumstances ie for the recently bereaved I can't imagine they'd steam roller ahead. On the whole though the majority do have parents or close family members like grandparents they'd happily make cards for. I doubt it was made a huge deal of. The issue for OP is the perhaps clumsy way the school has dealt with this.

AngelinaFibres · 19/06/2022 10:40

dancingintomondays · 19/06/2022 10:31

I don't like the idea of erasing days like this because it is difficult for some. That takes us down a dodgy road of everyone being offended by everything.

This. You deliberately chose to create a fatherless (or motherless) child. That's a decision you made on behalf of your child. Just because you don't believe your child wants or needs to acknowledge a father doesn't mean you get it to make it on behalf of everyone else's.

This.

Thejoyfulstar · 19/06/2022 10:42

dancingintomondays · 19/06/2022 10:31

I don't like the idea of erasing days like this because it is difficult for some. That takes us down a dodgy road of everyone being offended by everything.

This. You deliberately chose to create a fatherless (or motherless) child. That's a decision you made on behalf of your child. Just because you don't believe your child wants or needs to acknowledge a father doesn't mean you get it to make it on behalf of everyone else's.

I agree too.

Alb0 · 19/06/2022 10:43

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WaterBottle123 · 19/06/2022 10:43

@marcopront

I always told my children I absolutely did not expect them to make or do anything for Mother's Day as I knew it would be difficult for them. I'm a adult, I don't need a card they've been forced to make whilst the child next to them who'd lost their mother sat their in despair.

I handled the situation, AS A PARENT.

Schools simply need to keep out of it and focus on education.

Seriously. If your employer made you make cards for a partner on Valentine's Day and you'd lost your spouse you'd think this was reasonable? Of course you wouldn't. Why do children have to suffer in ways we don't expect adults to?? Use your heads.

Ferrarilover · 19/06/2022 10:44

InChocolateWeTrust · 19/06/2022 09:43

There are so many children now who don't have a traditional mum and dad.

But there arent. There are relatively few young children who have a completely absent/dead parent.

Statistically, the vast majority have a mother and a father, even if they are separated. Children who don't often have a grandfather/mother, aunts and uncles who can be celebrated?

Its about celebrating special people in our lives, not traditional nuclear families.

So..'even if they're separated.' Don't you think that might be upsetting for some children?
I wouldn't say that the vast majority of children have a mum and dad. If you read some of the posts on here, you'd think that hardly any do.

Once you factor in same sex relationships, separation, divorce, jail, fostering, adoption, death, then that's an awful lot of children to be upset, just by making an unnecessary card.

I don't agree with the poster who said that schools shouldn't do anything, in case some children are upset.

Making cards for parents who may be absent for any of the above reasons, has the potential for being particularly upsetting. Most other school activities - lessons, sports, school plays, assemblies, are not such a minefield.

1000yellowdaisies · 19/06/2022 10:45

Its the same for my kids. I.am a single parent with no living grandfather's to fill the gaps...
I think schools should steer clear of mother's and father's days tbb

WaterBottle123 · 19/06/2022 10:45

@Artwodeetoo

I'm sorry for your loss. My children are different to you in that they prefer to acknowledge their memories of their dad privately and for school to be a safe space. But we're all different.

WhatALoadOfWankiness · 19/06/2022 10:46

If your child isn't concerned what's the problem? I'll bet they asked her what she prefered to do

Africa2004 · 19/06/2022 10:46

Thanks for all the balanced replies.
no, it wasn’t a blank sign but everybody else had one dedicated to someone in their life. Hers wasn’t.
I fully support mother’s and Father’s Day. My point wasn’t that they should be banned, just whether preschool should have made her look so different.
to the unkind comments about creating a fatherless child, I can’t argue with this, it’s pointless but my child is very loved by two parents and growing up believing everyone should be valued. Can you say the same?

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sittingnexttochoppysea · 19/06/2022 10:46

By trying to protect children from never feeling hurt you are doing them no favours in the long run.

BiscoffSundae · 19/06/2022 10:51

I am a lone parent (ex not involved at all) I actually made my own post as my dd was upset about Father’s Day cards being made at school (she hasn’t wanted to go to school since) the school did do generic cards but dd doesn’t have relationship with my dad so she didn’t think to put grandad so hers was left blank, she’s been sad about it since I don’t know how some people can say it doesn’t affect children... there seems to be an assumption that if a child doesn’t have a dad then they have another person who acts like a dad like a grandad or an uncle and that’s just not always the case. Her teacher actually said lots of the children also have absent fathers hence why it’s generic cards.

marcopront · 19/06/2022 10:53

WaterBottle123 · 19/06/2022 10:43

@marcopront

I always told my children I absolutely did not expect them to make or do anything for Mother's Day as I knew it would be difficult for them. I'm a adult, I don't need a card they've been forced to make whilst the child next to them who'd lost their mother sat their in despair.

I handled the situation, AS A PARENT.

Schools simply need to keep out of it and focus on education.

Seriously. If your employer made you make cards for a partner on Valentine's Day and you'd lost your spouse you'd think this was reasonable? Of course you wouldn't. Why do children have to suffer in ways we don't expect adults to?? Use your heads.

So it is back to you speaking for everyone.

The employer and valentines card comparison is
a) ridiculous and not related to school
b) ignoring my point about handling it carefully

Alb0 · 19/06/2022 10:53

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Louise0701 · 19/06/2022 10:54

She doesn’t have a dad so what did you want them to do?

Hellocatshome · 19/06/2022 10:54

@Africa2004 what would you have liked them to do? I think in situations such as this the teacher probably actually didn't know what to do for the best so I think in the future an open dialogue with the teacher about what they are planning and how you would like DD included is the best option.

Thefoxsays · 19/06/2022 10:54

At pre-school age maybe she didnt want to make it? Children are very black and white and if she doesn't have a dad maybe she decided not to bother. My dad died when I was 6 and on Fathers Day I just made a card for my grandad/neighbour/friends. I don't remember being traumatised by it , it was Fathers Day and I didnt have a dad so I made my card for someone else. I think if your DD was upset then I would raise it with the school but it she was happy to join in the activity I wouldn't have a problem with her sign not saying 'Dad'

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Absolutely vile. Reported you for being a homophobic nut.

Ferrarilover · 19/06/2022 10:55

By trying to protect children from never feeling hurt you are doing them no favours in the long run

There are many situations where children might feel hurt, and most parents will do their best to protect their children from them. I don't know why you think that it's somehow detrimental to their development.

But that doesn't mean that schools should deliberately do an activity that so clearly has the potential for causing hurt.

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