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AIBU to do the bare minimum with the kids

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Redcar87 · 18/06/2022 08:36

I work full time, have 2DC under 3, and manage all the life admin and house stuff. DH veers between entirely useless and trying his best. He works part time for MH reasons.

DS1 is a handful. He is also pretty mean to DS2. Well ignores him and tells him to go away a lot. They fight over me constantly. DS2 wakes through the night.

Anyway my questions is that I basically do the minimum to get through the days and evenings. So right now I'm watching DS1 pour expensive bird food all over the grass rather than stop him and face a tantrum. Or I let DS2 eat chocolate for breakfast because it kept him quiet for 5 mins. Days like today and its just me at home with both DC and I try to think of things to do but the thought of doing an activity with all the fighting and mess and the 2DC arguing...I'm probs just going to stick cartoons on and just wish the hours away until I can go back to bed.

Do people just get through this bit? I do love them and they're so sweet but they are relentless in wanting to break stuff, fight, cry. So for example I made them pancakes and they argued over which one they wanted to eat and all of it ended up in the bin in a tantrum. So j just gave them a cereal bar and ignored them

I'm a terrible mum maybe. Or is using screens and snacks OK? Sometimes I let DC1 get away with so much rather than face the tantrum. I've been ill this week too and I just can't find the energy

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ForestFae · 18/06/2022 10:40

Ohthatsexciting · 18/06/2022 10:38

I found the process very straight forward
Simply because my medical records objectively confirmed everything I was telling them

So do mine, and loads of other peoples who have MH or invisible conditions. Unfortunately this is a really common problem.

Ohthatsexciting · 18/06/2022 10:41

I don’t regard myself as “lucky”

I read what was required to receive PIP and essentially - external objective professional diagnosis and detail is key. Too right otherwise the number of fraudulent claims would go through the roof

ForestFae · 18/06/2022 10:42

Ohthatsexciting · 18/06/2022 10:41

I don’t regard myself as “lucky”

I read what was required to receive PIP and essentially - external objective professional diagnosis and detail is key. Too right otherwise the number of fraudulent claims would go through the roof

Then you’re incredibly blinkered because they ignore the medical evidence for the vast majority who apply, as seen by the number of rejections that get overturned.

clarepetal · 18/06/2022 10:44

You aren't a terrible mum and you aren't making a rod for your own back. I think as a previous poster said that you are burnt out. Your partner should be helping out more.
I felt exactly as you did when my boy was that young and I only have one. I hated play and I still do, it doesn't come naturally to me at all. I'm better at houseworking and what people call life admin, my partner is better at play.
I think your kids just need more play. It's not your fault your smallest is clingy at the moment and if you are doing everything than you need to be able to leave them alone for small periods of time to cook and clean for them, I don't hold with the idea that children should be amused 100% of the time, how can you possibly do this?
Breaking the day up will make things easier, a walk round a pond to feed the ducks and maybe get an ice cream. Do you have a friend/ family member who could come with you?
I think you deserve a break. I can assure you there are children out there who have a worse time than your kids do, so I'd ignore the mum guilt that seems so prevalent on here. X

Ohthatsexciting · 18/06/2022 10:45

ForestFae · 18/06/2022 10:42

Then you’re incredibly blinkered because they ignore the medical evidence for the vast majority who apply, as seen by the number of rejections that get overturned.

2.9 million people receive PIP

2.9 million

ForestFae · 18/06/2022 10:47

Ohthatsexciting · 18/06/2022 10:45

2.9 million people receive PIP

2.9 million

Indeed, and many had to appeal to get it - there’s loads of info about this, idk why you’re being wilfully ignorant.

www.mind.org.uk/news-campaigns/news/thousands-of-people-with-mental-health-problems-could-be-missing-out-on-pip/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-mental-health-discrimination-pip-cuts-mobility-mind-a7629866.html

LuaDipa · 18/06/2022 10:49

You’re not lazy, you’re exhausted. I’m going to give some suggestions that helped me but if you continue doing what you’re doing that’s fine too, at the minute getting through the days is ok.

Activities at home generally mean mess so they were a special treat as it caused me more work. When mine were small I used to try and get them out most days. Even for a walk or to the local playground. I found that helped break up the monotony, the kids loved it and I felt less guilty about sticking the cartoons on when we got back.

Also, a good tip for an easy home activity is making collages. Bit of card, some old magazines, couple of glue sticks and some kiddy scissors. You can ‘help’ with the cutting. I used to find it quite therapeutic actually! Minimal mess, maximum concentration required from them so a good, easy activity in my book!

As for the snacks, mine lived on them as neither were good with full meals so just make them healthy ones. Cheese, veg sticks, fruit, natural yogurt and healthy crackers are fine and easy for the kids to eat. There’s nothing wrong with making life easier for yourself. As for the pancakes, that’s easily solved - you need to make a ‘special’ pancake for both of them. Obviously it’s not special, but they won’t moan if they think you’ve done something extra just for them! Maybe stick a raisin or two in there as a surprise for them to find.

You’ve clearly got a lot on your plate and not much support. No-one here is judging you and you need to not judge yourself. You are doing your best in a shitty situation and really you need a break and some time to yourself. I feel for you as it’s super tough. It might not be much consolation at the minute but the kids love you to bits no matter what. They won’t think any less of you for the cartoons or whatever as you are there for them. That’s what they will remember.

jacks11 · 18/06/2022 10:50

I’ll start out by saying you sound worn out and wrung out@Redcar87 . It’s true that young children are Hard work at times, however much we love them, and sometimes it feels a bit relentless- but I think you are struggling and definitely need to seek more support in some form or another. You do seem down, possibly depressed, so I think you should make an appointment with your GP and also talk to your husband about extra support. If his mental health isn’t in a place where he can do all of what is needed, I think you may need to speak to family, or even friends, if you can.

All of that said, whatever the reasons, I don’t think you are heading in a good direction as parents and you and your husband (as it’s not all down to you) need to take a long hard look at things and try to implement changes before it gets harder to retrieve the situation. The longer this goes on, the more difficult it is to fix.

Specifically, I think you are creating a rod for your own back by letting your children do things they shouldn’t in order to avoid a tantrum. It will just get more difficult and you will find it harder and harder to manage them. And it isn’t helping your children, in the short-or long-term. We all let the occasional things slide, of course we do. We all let our kids eat something they would probably be better off not eating (though I’ve never yet needed to allow chocolate for breakfast) or let them watch tv for longer than we normally would to get some peace and quiet. But these should be rare occasions, not the norm.

If you are letting your sons misbehave/ damage or waste things/ upset others etc rather than step in to correct them because you can’t face dealing with a tantrum; or allowing them eat junk food, treats and snacks instead of meals, or whenever they ask or just keep them quiet for a bit; or allowing- probably evenly actively encouraging them (given their ages)- to spend long periods (? most of the day) plonked in front of the tv, rather than having meaningful interaction or play are regular/routine occurrences then you do need to make changes because it is poor parenting. Your children will lose out in the long run and you will not be happier for it as a family.

Children need boundaries, children need to be taught what is acceptable and what is not, they need their parents and the adults around them to show them right from wrong, how to behave in any given situation, to model good behaviour and relationships, to show them how to manage disagreements and conflict sensibly and so on. Children push boundaries (hence the tantrums)- this is absolutely normal behaviour. Having boundaries makes children feel safe, however, even when they rail against them. If there are few or no boundaries many children push further and further to find the limit, or some become very contained, controlled (to their detriment) and sometimes very anxious. There are differences in where those boundaries are drawn between parents, but they are needed (equally overly harsh/critical/rigid rules and boundaries aren’t healthy either, obviously).

If you don’t have rules, expectations of behaviour etc, then how will your children learn these things? If they are never corrected, never stopped from doing things they shouldn’t or made to do things they should/must do even if they don’t want to, they will never grow into rounded individuals. They may well struggle at school, in friendships and so on because they will not be able to do what they want, as they want, when they want or get their own way all the time in these environments, but are not equipped to deal with those situations.

Children need balanced meals- and I’m not one for saying no sweets/crisps/junk food ever, they are all fine in moderation- and to develop healthy eating habits. They will go through phases of being picky, some children are worse than others too- but sensible eating habits are important. Equally, too much TV in place of playing with other children/being outside/being read to/doing activities with parents and others is not good for physical or mental development and health. Using screen time for large chunks of the day to allow you to check out/get through the rest of the day isn’t healthy for them. Or you.

I don’t mean to be unkind or unfair. I say these things as a reality check, I suppose. It’s clear you do love your sons and care about how you are parenting them- I also think you know what’s happening isn’t ideal, or you wouldn’t have posted here. I think you are struggling with two young children and a partner with mental health problems, and need some help. You need to seek that help so that you can nip this pattern in the bud, feel better and be a better parent. Start with your GP or health visitor, and speak to your husband too. Perhaps also family (parent or sibling?) or a close friend.

UWhatNow · 18/06/2022 10:54

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SnapDog · 18/06/2022 11:04

“Everyone is fed, no-one is dead” was my mantra for getting through the day when I had 3 under 3. (I read it on mumsnet 😂)

I totally understand the feelings you describe..

I once let mine draw all over a door, just to keep them quiet. On another occasion, I remember just lying on my bed and watching them all riding down the stairs in pillowcases, like a load of gremlins.

Ice cream for breakfast? Fine. I just wanted them to eat and be quite (and would throw and apple in due to guilt).

I know how that I was very depressed. I also had undiagnosed ADHD and a DH (now ex) who made my life harder rather then easier.

My DC survived all this though and are always described as lovely and confident children. They were loved and safe. I think they vaguely remember the winter where we seemed to survive on the (aptly named) Winter Survival deal from Dominos and I wore a dressing gown most of the time 😳 They seemed to remember it quite fondly, as when I got well, they kept asking why we didn’t have Dominos delivered anymore 🙈

Over time we have put a lot more structure in place. I have ADHD meds and they don’t solve everything but they help, and more importantly I am kinder to myself about being a bit of the chaotic side.

Lost the deadweight of the ex. Actually got married again to a loving, supportive man who pulls his weight. I suppose he does provide more of the structure and organisation in our home, but I have strengths in other areas.

I don’t know exactly where to start with any advice for you OP. I suppose the order is:

  1. You are not a bad mum. You are doing the best you can, and your DC will not have long term damage from a bit of a benign neglect now, maybe get some pastries, yogurts and cartons of fruit juice in for breakfast and then they can help themselves (I still do this now) and you won’t feel so guilty.

  2. GP for support with your mental health and any onward referrals required .

  3. can you get out to any playgroups during the week? If you can make it there, hopefully you can sit on your own with a cup of tea and watch them play. When you get home you will feel good about having done something, hopefully they will be tired - and the routine could be helpful for you all. 💐

MrsLargeEmbodied · 18/06/2022 11:07

they are purely looking for attention
you can do it op

UWhatNow · 18/06/2022 11:09

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Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid · 18/06/2022 11:12

They are still very young… maybe sign older one up to little kickers/rugby tots/swimming on Saturday mornings when he is 3. So he has some structure etc - whilst kids need down time in theory at home for those used to full time nursery and constant activity it might actually be a bit disorientating and nearly 3 year olds are typically not good at occupying themselves.

so activity, soft play, picnic out etc may work better

NewYorkLassie · 18/06/2022 11:14

I’ve not had chance to read all the advice OP but with two small children I honestly find it easier to take them out. My house looks like an absolute tip and everyone is arguing by the end of the day if we stay in. Although it seems like a massive effort beforehand getting them out to the park is actually easier and definitely better for my MH. Doesn’t need to be a fancy day out, just a trip to the local park is enough.

Bednobsbroomsticks · 18/06/2022 11:14

I remember having times like this . Usually when I couldn't be arsed I'd chuck loads toys on floor and put something nice on TV and just lie down and play with them with one eye on telly. This age can be montontonous and tedious and the " can u play with me" feels like it goes on for years. Doing the minimum in terms of activities etc is fine. Not communicating or setting boundaries because you are so worn down is not. Sounds like you need more help though. You can't do it all

LannieDuck · 18/06/2022 11:15

You need to have a discussion with your DH. I get that he has MH issues, but if you're working FT and he's PT, you shouldn't be doing all of the housework and the majority (?) of the childcare. That's completely unfair, and it's no wonder you're struggling.

Abuildingwith4wallsandtmrinsid · 18/06/2022 11:16

Also audio books eg Julia Donaldson/Disney etc can be a god send once the child is ready for that, far better than tv and some come with books and a chime to turn the page. Saves you having to read all the time - I initially did them with all 4 of mine cuddling and sitting on a sofa so they associated it with mummy time and then gradually withdrew. They were all brilliant readers etc

AintNoPartyLikeANumber10Party · 18/06/2022 11:17

@Redcar87 Your DH is a waste of space. He must step up and take on more. Plenty of parents have MH issues and manage to care for their children and work full time.

I completely understand you taking the easy route. And I think it’s okay to do it in the short term because you are operating in crisis mode. Problem is that it’s not sustainable. You are going to have to make wholesale changes to your lifestyle. I suggest you take it easy this weekend and put a plan together to:

  • stop breastfeeding (maybe controversial but you want to give up, your DS1 is clearly jealous and DS2 is too clingy and plenty old enough to be told no)
  • have time off for yourself to recharge
  • do more enriching activities with your kids
  • have a routine that works for you
  • consider if you can afford a cleaner and any other household jobs you can outsource
  • book an appointment with the GP for yourself (tbh you may just be very tired but you sound so low, please do this)
  • work out new ways to manage the DC’s tantrums and be consistent - this will be hard, sorry (lots of advice on here already)
  • get the DC into sleep routines or share the night waking
  • SPEAK TO YOUR DH
Good luck. Flowers
HairyScaryMonster · 18/06/2022 11:20

Short term, doing the minimum will get you by, when you're feeling ill or you're close to burnout. But longer term, I'd be trying to find things to keep them entertained so they're less likely to fight. There's a book called five minute mum that has lots of ideas that take less than 5 mins to set up.

ChocolateHippo · 18/06/2022 11:21

I would definitely try to get out of the house with them at least once every day. Preferably morning as then they might enjoy a quiet afternoon at home more. Good idea to sign older one up for some kind of organised activity. Can your DH look after the younger one while you take him? Then maybe stop for a coffee on the way home... it's good for little ones to practice sitting nicely in a cafe for 20 minutes or so. I used to do this with my DC...I'd try to take a few books so we could use the time to read together too so that was one less thing to feel guilty about.

Jenasaurus · 18/06/2022 11:29

I agree this is a tough ape, and just a passing phase. It will get better.

RealBecca · 18/06/2022 11:30

Theres a lot to unpack. The thing that ties this all together though is you appear to have an issue with confidently enforcing boundaries, with your boss, DH and home. How you deal with that is up to you.

You could pick one thing from a list or make the decision that today is the day you will enforce boundaries and just do it without second guessing yourself. An easier life in the short term is rarely so in the long term (Your DH being a prime example.)

DH NEEDS to consistently step up.
Parent as though you dont fear tantrums.
Stop working for free (assuming you arnt contractedtoo work at 8pm)

ValancyRedfern · 18/06/2022 11:32

You are burnt out because the kids and your DH walk all over you. Enforcing boundaries is so tough but so important. Kids need boundaries to feel safe. Practise saying no and riding out the tantrum. The tantrum is a sign you are doing something right not wrong. I think the same technique needs to be applied to your DH.

goldfinchonthelawn · 18/06/2022 11:34

OP I definitely had my fair share of days like that and days that went into meltdown even while i was trying to be the perfect mum. But I did find that engaging with them was not only better for them, it was more fun for me.

Why not try giving them a bit of an overview - not of the while day, just a two step process such as: this morning we need to put a wash load on and then we can go to the park. Then get them to help sort laundry, stuff it into the drum, prtess the buttons etc. Give them praise for helping, a small drink if it's hot, then get ready and go to the park so they can let off steam. If you need a bit of down time, say you will watch them on the slide and push them on the swings and then they can play ball while you are on your phone. Bring two balls so they don't fight over who has it. Or make them do 'personal best' races (so there's no meltdown when the bigger one wins.) Get them to run to a tree and back, have a rest then see if they can run even faster to the tree. To tire them out.

Then home to a very easy lunch and watch cartoons while you get a break.

DamnUserName21 · 18/06/2022 11:35

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How can you judge a 'complete lack of parenting' from 1 or 2 posts?

The kids are fed, have toys to play with, likely clean and dressed.
Just because a home is messy (common with young children), there is less routine and kids get away with tantrums (Montessori, anyone?) this does not equate to a lack of parenting.