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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think my nephew’s bad behaviour isn’t acceptable?

310 replies

KarenOLantern · 10/06/2022 10:28

I have a DD (2) who was born in lockdown so I didn’t make any mum friends, none of my friends have kids, so I am clueless as to what to expect/how to react to other children’s behaviour and would really appreciate other perspectives here, plus ideas on how to respond.

We have two nephews on my DH’s side (both 4, not brothers) who live very far away, so we see them about 2-3 times a year. One of them (let’s call him George) is fine. The other (Alex) was a really kind and sweet toddler, but I am struggling to see anything positive about his behaviour over the last year, and I don’t know if I am being unreasonable by expecting too much from such a young kid, or if I’m right to think his behaviour isn’t great.

We are currently 5 days into a 10-day stay with Alex and his parents, and I am not exaggerating when I say I don’t think he has been pleasant to my DD for more than 5 minutes at a time. We were told he was really excited to see her and he talks about her all the time, which I am sure is true, but his idea of playing with her involves:

  • roughly picking her up and carrying her around, no matter how much she cries, tells him to stop, or the adults tell him not to because he’s hurting her and it’s dangerous;
  • pushing her down and sitting on top of her (again, ignoring her crying, and repeating it after adults have told him not to);
  • whatever she’s doing, he has to annoy her somehow. If she’s playing with a toy, he'll snatch it off her/push her off it. If she’s drinking water he’ll snatch her cup and try to force-feed it to her (pressing the cup really hard into her face and hurting her). If she’s on a chair he’ll pull her off roughly, while shouting at her; if she climbs off the chair he shouts “No! You’ve got to sit on the chair!” and lifts her back onto it.
  • He shouts and screams at her if she isn’t doing what he thinks she should be doing (which always seems to be the opposite of whatever she is currently doing).
  • Several times I have had to physically stop him from putting a cushion/duvet on her face and sitting on it.
  • Twice he has put a scarf/belt around her neck and tried to pull it very hard. Both times I was right there so grabbed it and shouted at him to stop, but he was very insistent and holding on very tightly/pulling with his whole body weight and I had to really prise it out of his hands.

-Whenever he is physically prevented from any of this behaviour he screams very loudly, swings his limbs around and throws things.

When my DD is obviously distressed/in danger I step in physically, although I have also been trying to encourage her to shout "stop" , but she hasn't yet. While all this is going on, Alex's parents are usually there telling him to stop, but he pays them very little mind. They often threaten punishments, but I have yet to see one actually happen.

My MIL seems to think this is just “normal boy behaviour”… except that the other cousin George never behaves like this at all. He can be noisy and chaotic of course, but I’ve never seen him be aggressive or purposefully hurt or annoy another child like Alex seems to almost constantly. (It’s also worth noting, Alex behaves in a similar manner with George too, but as they are the same age/size George can stand up for himself much better.)

Alex’s parents seem to think most of this behaviour comes from a desire to help people, and they are always going on about how caring he is, (eg. when he picks my DD up it’s because he wants to help her walk, when he snatches her water cup and presses it to her face he’s trying to help her drink, etc., and it’s just that he’s too young to know when to stop.) But I am inclined to suspect they’re a bit misty-eyed and just trying to put a positive spin on everything he does. For a start, he’s so aggressive and shouty when trying to “help” my DD that I struggle to see it as “caring”. When there’s no way to put a positive spin on something he’s done, his parents blame it on being hungry or tired or a tummy ache, (but if that’s the case then he’s been hungry and tired almost constantly for the last 5 days, despite eating and sleeping at normal times…).

I just feel like I’m in a bit of an alternate universe, as I keep seeing these patterns of unpleasant behaviour where Alex seems to be constantly, and purposefully, trying to hurt or annoy the other two children, but the other adults in the family seem completely blind to it.

So yeah, any perspectives welcome please. Is this really within the bounds of normal 4-year-old boy behaviour? Am I being too precious with my DD? Will he just naturally grow out of behaving like this? How would you respond if you were Alex’s parents? How would you respond if you were me? TIA

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BurbageBrook · 10/06/2022 10:31

YABU for encouraging a 2 year old to shout ‘stop’ to someone twice their age and size. I wouldn’t be letting her anywhere NEAR him, let alone just stepping in ‘sometimes’. Protect your child!

Regarding your nephew YANBU he sounds like an absolute nightmare. Of course you are not being precious. He’s clearly been given zero boundaries by his parents.

GrandRapids · 10/06/2022 10:32

Mine would never have behaved like this. I do think some children (irrespective of gender) can be more rambunctious than others. But his behaviour sounds awful and the family are enabling it! I would probably have left by now.

jadeyxox · 10/06/2022 10:32

Oh my god! His parents need to get a bloody grip of him because that is not normal behaviour. It sounds like they just let him get on and do whatever he wants so they can have a quiet life. I'd be scared to have my DC in that situation tbh

DingDongDenny · 10/06/2022 10:32

I think I'd go home

MidwichCuckoo · 10/06/2022 10:35

I'd go home too. They are too lazy to discipline him and your daughter is being mistreated as a result. You need to protect her by going home

Onlyhuman123 · 10/06/2022 10:38

Pack your bags and go home. And make it clear as to why you are leaving before the end of your holiday. His behaviour is more than 'naughty'. Your poor DD, being subjected to that day in/day out.

SunshineAndFizz · 10/06/2022 10:40

He sounds like a nightmare. Don't let his parents or the MIL make you feel this is normal or you're overreacting - this is really unpleasant behaviour.

It's hard to tell parents how to raise their kids, but they need to follow through with discipline - "if you pick your cousin up one more time you're not getting or you're and then actually carry it out.

Speak to them - they might be happy for you to play the bad guy and issue the warnings?

5zeds · 10/06/2022 10:41

His behaviour sound within normal bounds but not great. Your reaction to it is very placid and neglectful of your own child’s needs. (Sorry, but I think you need to do much more). Why have you not told him to stop picking up your baby and that he’s not allowed to give her a drink? Why can’t you tell him to stop bossing her around? Why when someone ties things round your child’s neck are you not picking him up and dumping him in his parents laps and telling THEM to stop him EVER doing that again. Stop being nice. Stand up.

WifeMotherWorkRepeat · 10/06/2022 10:41

It’s not remotely normal behaviour and I’m surprised the MIL and his parents can’t see he has boundary issues!
I wouldn’t be putting up with this, you need to call them out on their lack of parenting and discipline. Your poor DD!

jadeyxox · 10/06/2022 10:41

Onlyhuman123 · 10/06/2022 10:38

Pack your bags and go home. And make it clear as to why you are leaving before the end of your holiday. His behaviour is more than 'naughty'. Your poor DD, being subjected to that day in/day out.

Agree with this 100%. I know kids go through phases of behaviour and will likely grow out of it, but some of the stuff the OP is describing is actually very worrying tbh

TheLadyDIdGood · 10/06/2022 10:43

This is why we have so many adult bullies in real life because they were allowed to run riot as children with little consequence.

jadeyxox · 10/06/2022 10:44

5zeds · 10/06/2022 10:41

His behaviour sound within normal bounds but not great. Your reaction to it is very placid and neglectful of your own child’s needs. (Sorry, but I think you need to do much more). Why have you not told him to stop picking up your baby and that he’s not allowed to give her a drink? Why can’t you tell him to stop bossing her around? Why when someone ties things round your child’s neck are you not picking him up and dumping him in his parents laps and telling THEM to stop him EVER doing that again. Stop being nice. Stand up.

Sorry, but I cannot see how a lot of that behaviour is in normal in any way. Putting a belt around her neck, putting a cushion over her face and sitting on it, dragging her off chairs. That's not normal at all, its actually quite scary, and its shocking the parents don't seem to think its a problem!

DowntonCrabby · 10/06/2022 10:47

I’d go home. To keep her safe means you'll be in a constant state of stress for the next 5 days, that’s not great for anyone.

Brefugee · 10/06/2022 10:48

My MIL seems to think this is just “normal boy behaviour”

Nip this sexist bullshit in the bud. Frankly? I would be taking my daughter and leaving right now. No ifs, no buts, just going and DH can decide if he comes or not. But it is dangerous - the strangulation thing is concerning (was he trying to use it like a lead?)

And i would be telling the parents that there is no way my daughter will ever be in a room with him unless and until they get control of his behaviour.

NightmareSituation · 10/06/2022 10:48

Remove yourself and your child from this situation. It is not normal behaviour and clearly the boy has no boundaries or consequences for his actions. Do the right thing by your child and go home. You cannot watch your child 24 hours a day for the next five days and you would never forgive yourself if there was an “accident” while he is “playing”. The parents need to have a serious word with themselves.

ImustLearn2Cook · 10/06/2022 10:48

I have worked in nursery and know some children his age that lack impulse control, not able to moderate their voice volume, who try to help but don’t quite understand how to be gentle.

Children have their own personality, temperament, and develop at their own pace. All of us have our unique combination of strengths and weaknesses.

Yes, you need to protect your daughter. She is only two.

Your nephew needs more than being told to stop or being threatened with punishment.

He needs guidance and not just on occasion but consistently and repetitively. Children learn by repetition. Teach him.

His parents and other adults need to remind him to be gentle and then demonstrate how to be gentle. Teach him.

whumpthereitis · 10/06/2022 10:49

If you’re trying to keep the peace, stop. You need to protect your daughter. Outside of the emotional distress he’s causing her, it could only take moments in which you’re distracted to seriously hurt her. Putting a pillow over her face and tying shit around her neck? Wtf, just no. Go home.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 10/06/2022 10:50

I think staying 10 days with anyone is far too long tbh. Go home.

Branster · 10/06/2022 10:51

I've never known a 4 year old boy behaving like this so it's not normal behaviour.
There's no excuse. You really shouldn't let your DD anywhere near the little boy as he is clearly hurting her constantly.
It will be awfully difficult if his parents have a baby.

ImustLearn2Cook · 10/06/2022 10:52

Also, it wouldn’t hurt for him to have an assessment from a doctor and if the doctor thinks it is needed a referral to a paediatrician.

Some children need extra support. And that’s ok.

godmum56 · 10/06/2022 10:52

I am a bit concerned that these things seemed to have happened multiple times? Can I ask why you didn't put a stop to it at the first instance?...and yes, go home.

Pollydonia · 10/06/2022 10:55

Nope, his parents are neglecting him and your daughter is paying the price.
I had the same age gap between my 2 and my older DC never treated the little one like this .

SystemOverloadedNameChange · 10/06/2022 10:55

Just leave! Your DD is having a shit time, she is your priority. Would you want to stay somewhere where someone was constantly sitting on you and pulling you around? She must be scared and absolutely fed up.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 10/06/2022 10:56

I have two DSS's and nieces/nephews who were 2 when they were 4. This is so far from acceptable it's untrue.

thenightsky · 10/06/2022 10:56

I'd definitely go home today. Tell them you can't put your DD through anymore torture.