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to think my nephew’s bad behaviour isn’t acceptable?

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KarenOLantern · 10/06/2022 10:28

I have a DD (2) who was born in lockdown so I didn’t make any mum friends, none of my friends have kids, so I am clueless as to what to expect/how to react to other children’s behaviour and would really appreciate other perspectives here, plus ideas on how to respond.

We have two nephews on my DH’s side (both 4, not brothers) who live very far away, so we see them about 2-3 times a year. One of them (let’s call him George) is fine. The other (Alex) was a really kind and sweet toddler, but I am struggling to see anything positive about his behaviour over the last year, and I don’t know if I am being unreasonable by expecting too much from such a young kid, or if I’m right to think his behaviour isn’t great.

We are currently 5 days into a 10-day stay with Alex and his parents, and I am not exaggerating when I say I don’t think he has been pleasant to my DD for more than 5 minutes at a time. We were told he was really excited to see her and he talks about her all the time, which I am sure is true, but his idea of playing with her involves:

  • roughly picking her up and carrying her around, no matter how much she cries, tells him to stop, or the adults tell him not to because he’s hurting her and it’s dangerous;
  • pushing her down and sitting on top of her (again, ignoring her crying, and repeating it after adults have told him not to);
  • whatever she’s doing, he has to annoy her somehow. If she’s playing with a toy, he'll snatch it off her/push her off it. If she’s drinking water he’ll snatch her cup and try to force-feed it to her (pressing the cup really hard into her face and hurting her). If she’s on a chair he’ll pull her off roughly, while shouting at her; if she climbs off the chair he shouts “No! You’ve got to sit on the chair!” and lifts her back onto it.
  • He shouts and screams at her if she isn’t doing what he thinks she should be doing (which always seems to be the opposite of whatever she is currently doing).
  • Several times I have had to physically stop him from putting a cushion/duvet on her face and sitting on it.
  • Twice he has put a scarf/belt around her neck and tried to pull it very hard. Both times I was right there so grabbed it and shouted at him to stop, but he was very insistent and holding on very tightly/pulling with his whole body weight and I had to really prise it out of his hands.

-Whenever he is physically prevented from any of this behaviour he screams very loudly, swings his limbs around and throws things.

When my DD is obviously distressed/in danger I step in physically, although I have also been trying to encourage her to shout "stop" , but she hasn't yet. While all this is going on, Alex's parents are usually there telling him to stop, but he pays them very little mind. They often threaten punishments, but I have yet to see one actually happen.

My MIL seems to think this is just “normal boy behaviour”… except that the other cousin George never behaves like this at all. He can be noisy and chaotic of course, but I’ve never seen him be aggressive or purposefully hurt or annoy another child like Alex seems to almost constantly. (It’s also worth noting, Alex behaves in a similar manner with George too, but as they are the same age/size George can stand up for himself much better.)

Alex’s parents seem to think most of this behaviour comes from a desire to help people, and they are always going on about how caring he is, (eg. when he picks my DD up it’s because he wants to help her walk, when he snatches her water cup and presses it to her face he’s trying to help her drink, etc., and it’s just that he’s too young to know when to stop.) But I am inclined to suspect they’re a bit misty-eyed and just trying to put a positive spin on everything he does. For a start, he’s so aggressive and shouty when trying to “help” my DD that I struggle to see it as “caring”. When there’s no way to put a positive spin on something he’s done, his parents blame it on being hungry or tired or a tummy ache, (but if that’s the case then he’s been hungry and tired almost constantly for the last 5 days, despite eating and sleeping at normal times…).

I just feel like I’m in a bit of an alternate universe, as I keep seeing these patterns of unpleasant behaviour where Alex seems to be constantly, and purposefully, trying to hurt or annoy the other two children, but the other adults in the family seem completely blind to it.

So yeah, any perspectives welcome please. Is this really within the bounds of normal 4-year-old boy behaviour? Am I being too precious with my DD? Will he just naturally grow out of behaving like this? How would you respond if you were Alex’s parents? How would you respond if you were me? TIA

OP posts:
Moosake · 10/06/2022 10:57

He could kill someone at this rate. Leave now.

Spanglemum · 10/06/2022 10:58

He sounds insanely jealous of her. Does he have siblings? His behaviour is not acceptable. I agree with PP you need to be much more hands on. 10 days is a long visit. Good luck.

axolotlfloof · 10/06/2022 10:58

Why are you letting him anywhere near her?
Forget about trying to control his behaviour and keep her away from him. His behaviour is very unsafe.
If the only way to do that is to go home, then do that.

10HailMarys · 10/06/2022 10:59

Blimey, we all know that four-year-olds can be complete gits sometimes but this clearly goes way, way beyond what's normal, especially as it's so constant. Most parents would be giving a child who behaved like that an extreme stern talking to, naughty step, sent to their room or whatever, not just telling them to stop and letting it carry on. In most of those situations you describe, I think I'd be inclined to physically pick up the four-year-old and take them straight out of the room.

If the parents won't tell him off properly, I think I would definitely do so myself and I wouldn't give a shit if the parents were offended by that.

boymum9 · 10/06/2022 11:00

I have 2 boys, one 7 and one 4, my 4 year old is quite boisterous but would never exhibit any of these behaviours. My 7 year wouldn't either, I wouldn't consider any of these behaviours normal. Id be making my excuses and leaving!

Coughee · 10/06/2022 11:01

This sounds like really extreme behaviour. I used to be a childminder and the only time I have encountered that level of aggression was with a 3 year old with special needs who was non verbal - and with lots of guidance from his parents and him gaining some speech it really calmed down.

Regardless of whether your nephew has special needs or not the adults in his life should be taking this more seriously. I agree with others, if you can't keep your little one safe from him it's probably time to go home if possible.

Hugasauras · 10/06/2022 11:02

Yep, take your daughter out of there. She's too young to stick up for and advocate for herself, so she's basically just a punching bag and it's grossly unfair for her.

MissyB1 · 10/06/2022 11:07

It isn’t “normal behaviour” or anywhere near normal. There is something going very badly wrong for that boy. But that’s not your problem to worry about OP. Your priority is your dd. Tell the parents that you are worried about dd’s safety and you need to go home.

Stripyhoglets1 · 10/06/2022 11:08

No it is too much - and I had a very very rambunctious 4 year old boy who was the eldest cousin.

But he's got no sense of boundaries and his parents aren't helping so it is reasonable for you to be be much more proactive in protecting your daughters boundaries by telling him to leave her alone and don't do X, Y or Z and don't worry what others think. Particularly if you can't go home.

Stressofherregard · 10/06/2022 11:09

Your DD is being abused by this boy. His parents are enabling his behaviour. You need to leave now to protect her.

Furiousfive · 10/06/2022 11:12

That's not normal at all and Alex's parents aren't doing him any favours by letting him behave this way. I would head straight home for your daughter's sake

BogRollBOGOF · 10/06/2022 11:12

Until you got to the cushion/ belt/ duvet I was going to say it's "normal" for a child with low social experience and poor boundaries (he's also missed out on two years of regular social foundation). Children can't learn if their parents don't guide them, and indulge their behaviours. It's not normal in terms of expected behaviour that is grown out of naturally (such as a dropping food/ items phase)

Some of this behaviour is dangerous and inexcusable, way beyond over-zealously treating DD like a doll.

If other parents won't do their job, it's on you to protect your DD and I'd err on an early departure because that's a long time to scrupulously protect her. It's probably the most effective way of drawing attention to his behaviour. The indulging relatives won't like it, but they won't like it when he starts school soon and face consequences for his behaviour from staff and rejection from classmates who don't want to be manhandled.

DorothyZbornakIsAQueen · 10/06/2022 11:14

He sounds insanely jealous of her. Does he have siblings?

🙄Please no lazy tropes of only children being jealous little shits. It's lazy and a load of bollocks.

I would be taking my daughter home OP. This is not normal behaviour at all. People around you enabling this are failing miserably at parenting.

I would also tell them and also tell them that 'boys will be boys', is a load of shite too.

Georgeskitchen · 10/06/2022 11:15

No it's not "normal boy behaviour "
I have multiple sons and none have ever behaved like this. Boisterous and and squabbly over toys and a push and a shove here and there but nothing like this nephew . I would be going home I'm afraid, and not going again until this child's behaviour is addressed

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 10/06/2022 11:20

I have two boisterous sons and they never ever did any of those things. It’s extreme and worrying behaviour- where on earth has he learnt this?

serious talk time. And if it’s upsetting then tough. Him killing your DD would be worse.

Summer1912 · 10/06/2022 11:20

I dont think this is normal.
Are you in his house? Is he like this elsewhere?
Is he at school.
What is he like there or at nursery.
Sounds like extreme jealousy but then he is doing this to the other 4yo too.

Ragruggers · 10/06/2022 11:24

I have 4 grandsons and numerous nephews they have never behaved like that.If they had it would never have happened again.I would go home or go out with your daughter.If he comes near her be ready to stop him in his tracks.He will have problems when he starts school,this is a troubled child.

JenniferBarkley · 10/06/2022 11:26

The main point is that your DD isn't safe around him and the adults don't seem to be stepping up so you will need to decide what to do from that pov.

In terms of the individual behaviours, in isolation they don't seem too bad - my 4yo can definitely be a bit unintentionally rough with her 2yo sister, and they're used to being together. If he's used to playing with kids his own age, tends to be physical in his play, and was excited to see her I can see how this has happened tbh. I know my DD wouldn't realise why putting something around her neck (let's play doggies!) or a cushion over her face (haha, pretend she's a chair) would be so serious, she has no concept of choking or suffocation.

Taken in the round, he does sound like a handful, but I would be wary of proclaiming any more than that.

BluebellField · 10/06/2022 11:26

That is in no way normal.

I'd be going straight home if I was you and would not be seeing this child while he behaves like this. You need to protect your DD.

ThisIsGroundControl · 10/06/2022 11:26

I think you are being unreasonable.

It doesn't matter if this is normal behaviour, or if it's a phase or anything. The only thing that matters is your dd who you are failing if she has been strangled for the second time.

You also can't expect a two year old to be able to stop it. Protect her, go home or at least keep them apart.

RoseslnTheHospital · 10/06/2022 11:27

I also have two boys, one of which has some social and communication difficulties, and neither of them would behave in this way. The rough handling is not so unusual (but still needs correcting) however the stuff around necks and cushions over faces then sitting on it are alarming. With my two children, I have made it absolutely clear with both of them that you never put anything around your own or anyone else's neck because of how dangerous it is. I would have expected this child's parents to be horrified by that behaviour and addressed it firmly, in whatever way they deal with their child. Vague threats of punishment that aren't followed through just don't cut it.

EnterACloud · 10/06/2022 11:28

I'd be talking to his parents TODAY, now, and saying that you're really worried about your daughter's safety. If they can't keep him under control and away from her for the rest of the holiday unfortunately you'll have to take your daughter home.

When they protest remind them of some of this stuff and ask if they'd be happy if an eight year old was hurting their child, tying stuff round their neck and pushing them onto the floor.

Your poor daughter is only 2 and mad as this sounds she's already being taught that she's responsible for preventing violence against herself by yelling STOP.

Panamii · 10/06/2022 11:30

Has your DH stepped in to protect your daughter? If he hasn't that's the biggest issue you have really. Don't let the adults around your child gaslight your tiny daughter. No he wasn't just 'trying to help'. Narrate it for her. 'You didn't like that. He really upset/scared you. Mummy isn't going to let that happen again.' It's ok to be very clear and firm with the boy too. I would try to facilitate things they can do together like play-doh etc. Free play with this child just isn't safe.

AlisonDonut · 10/06/2022 11:31

I don't think trying to suffocate your cousin is normal in any way.

Listen to your child, she is being badly bullied in plain sight whilst you watch on...pack your bags and go home for fucks sake.

BeforeSheKnewIt · 10/06/2022 11:32

I'm confused - why are you still there?

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