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So sick of walking on eggshells but can't deal with the fall-out if I don't. Advice please!

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DWofMN · 09/06/2022 11:43

I'm using DH's account, I'm not a MNer so please forgive me if I mess up the terminology - and apologies that this is long.

DH posted recently about an issue I'm having with my family and the general advice was either to go NC or to stand up to them - I don't feel like I can do either because DM has a temper but I love her dearly and treasure her in my life. She's an amazing GP to DS.

There are a few incidents playing on my mind and I don't know how to handle them:

DH and I are moving house to a new location, just over two hours from where we live. DM messaged me a couple of weeks ago to say that DSis was going on holiday to "nearby" the new house and, because DSis wanted to do an "adult only" activity with her DH, they had asked DM to come along and babysit DN. DM suggested we take this opportunity to show her our new house (I don't see why she needs to see it tbh) and I said I'd speak to the agent. The agent said it basically depends how busy they are - the owners won't allow us to just have free access to the house (it's vacant) which is fair enough so the agent said he'd do a viewing for DM if he has a slot available on the day but that he'd be prioritising people viewing properties who are actually going to purchase them (which is also fair enough). It also tied in well because I'm in my third trimester now and DSis still has my 0+ baby seat from when DN was little - and I need it back. So, I could tie in getting that back from her, I asked her to take it with her so I could get it back and she said she would. I've been anxious to get it back because DSis isn't the most reliable and I'm worried it'll be broken or missing parts and I need to know ASAP because it's part of our whole travel system.

On the day, the agent said that, unfortunately, he's fully booked up and there's no way he can do a viewing of the house for DM but that the vendors have said they have no problem with us going onto the property to look at the gardens and things - and we could also show DM the local area. I relayed this to DM, who was annoyed but ok, and I suggested we do an activity that's right next to the house that DS and DN would enjoy - DM agreed and we said what our ETA was and I sent a link and Google Maps location for the activity. When we arrived, about two hours later, there was no sign of DM and a few minutes later, DH got a text from DM that said "that's too far away..." (even though it's right next to the house she wanted to go and see) so DH replied asking her what she'd like to do. She replied "well, you could suggest somewhere closer for a start" - we don't know where she even is, all she's said to us is that she's staying "nearby the new house" (which was the entire reason she wanted us to book the viewing). She sent us her location, which was almost an hour away (and, by this point, we'd left the house three hours earlier, with a toddler and me being sick the whole time). DH drove the extra hour down and we met DM, DF and DN. DM was in a bad mood the whole time and told us she couldn't stay long (we met at a pub) because they needed to check out by 4pm (it was now gone 2pm) which I thought was odd because they were staying with DSis on her holiday so didn't need to "check out" but whatever. So, at 3.30pm DM went to the bathroom, I checked the time and said to DF we'd better head off to check out - at which point he said there's no rush because there's no check-out time. He said that just as DM reappeared, and she then had a big strop because she'd clearly been caught in a lie and just didn't want to spend any time with me. DF then wanted DH to help with lifting luggage so we went back to their accommodation to help, DSis came back at that point and said that she hadn't brought the car seat because she couldn't fit it in the car... So, I'd spent a day of my bank holiday driving for almost 8 hours to sit with my mum for 2 hours whilst she sulked, have DH sent rude text messages and not get my car seat back! It feels like I did nothing but try to appease her (by trying to get the viewing, by driving the extra hour to her, by pretending to accept she never said they had to check-out, by DH helping them pack, by not responding in kind to her rude messages etc) and all I got in return was her showing that she doesn't care at all.

DS has a birthday coming up and, because people insist on buying huge plastic toys that we have no space for despite us asking multiple times for them not to, we made an online list of gifts we think DS would like that are either activities or very small (a range of prices and no pressure to get anything). The online list is like a wedding gift registry where people say what they've bought so you don't end up with duplicates. For previous birthdays/Christmases, people have asked us for gift ideas and, regardless of what we suggest and even when we say "anything that isn't huge because we have no space", certain relatives insist on purchasing the biggest imaginable toys. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. One of DS's relatives purchased an activity gift from the list to take him to do. The next day, I got an irate message from DM asking why it's no longer available because she wanted to do that one. I asked around and found out, but explained to DM that DS would definitely enjoy doing the activity more than once so she can do it too if she likes - but she said no, she didn't want to do what someone else was doing. So, I had to ask the relative to give that up so DM could do it. Then, on a video call to DM later that day, DS showed her his new toy that he loves that he'd seen whilst we were out shopping (a small toy about £7). DM then got upset because she'd bought him the exact same toy for his birthday (how were we supposed to know that?) and couldn't return it because she'd bought it many months ago. I resolved that by saying we could return the one she has (still in packaging) as if it's the one we bought (they're identical and bought from the same store) and that DS can have the one he currently has a birthday gift from her - so she eventually, and grumpily, accepted that solution.

Then, last night, DM sent a link to our group chat to a holiday home booked for 2 days after my due date this summer. It's five hours drive from where I live, and mine and DH's share would be almost £1000 just for the house. The message accompanying the link said it was so that we could now go on the holiday. DM has been trying to book a family holiday abroad but we pointed out that we couldn't get a passport for the baby (and obviously can't leave a baby that's a day old with a sitter or anything) so obviously we couldn't go - so that was cancelled, with a lot of stropping and angst directed at me. DBro hasn't spoken to me since that was cancelled and DSis has only spoken to confirm she'd bring the car seat and then, when I saw him, to say she hadn't brought it. DSis then responded to the group chat with a pointed and sulky message about "oh, so this is instead of going somewhere nice abroad then?". I feel like I've ruined everyone else's summer holiday plans because I wouldn't go abroad so I feel like I have to agree with this holiday in the UK. But, in truth, we can't afford to pay thousands for a holiday right now and I don't want to book something for two days after the baby is due! I didn't reply in the group chat because I didn't know what to say so then I got a message late last night from DM saying that she's going to phone me today to "nail down my plans for July and August". I can't "nail down my plans" - the baby could come at almost any point in July/August (due date is the very start of August), so my only plan is to be prepared for that.

I feel like the stress of appeasing her is just too much - but it's so much less stress than either confronting her or ignoring her. So, there's no option which isn't stressful. I'm so ill, I have HG and I'm over a stone lighter than my booking-in weight and my weight is going down again. I just want to curl up in a ball, ignore everybody and cry - but that won't resolve the issue. She's going to phone me and I just don't know what to say, I don't even want to answer.

What do I do? I think I just needed to write all of that out.

OP posts:
NettleTea · 11/06/2022 10:46

GabriellaMontez · 11/06/2022 10:01

In a few weeks she'll deny ever claiming to have broken her ankle.

oh goodness, yes this of course!!!

also OP, you are not the one that lives closest. And she has a husband. She isnt a helpless 85 year old who is housebound and unable to get food/clothed/ etc

apart from a little moral support, an enquiry as to hoping she is OK, thats all that reasonably should be required IN A NORMAL FAMILY

NettleTea · 11/06/2022 10:48

and yes, she may have twisted it, but as others say, there is no way she has a proper diagnosis of an actual broken ankle at this point

as an aside - was the broken ankle message just to you or on the group chat. And have the others offered to come rallying round?

CaveMum · 11/06/2022 10:53

Agree with @NettleTea, take a screenshot of the message about her ankle and if you reply make sure you copy in your siblings so that she can’t claim you are making it up.

She’s not beneath gaslighting you.

Changeforthis79 · 11/06/2022 11:03

You need to go no contact with her, even if it is temporary. Get your husband to fend off unwanted calls and visits from her, this can't go on!

NettleTea · 11/06/2022 11:05

It is really hard to accept that someone who is supposed to love and care for you - be that a husband, child, parent, close friend - is actually abusive. Its natural to deny it, because in some ways denial is safer, it is at least known, and you are used to squaring the circle of dissonance in your mind with impossible upside down reasoning and excuses
Because acknowledging that they are abusive is dangerous and scary, and it means that alot of what you have built to believe, often the very foundations of your belief system about your world, is completely wrong, and often that is horrifi to contemplate. Its very common to try to brush the bad bits under the carpet and concentrate on the nice stuff - which when you start to examine it, are always on their terms, or they do something nice because it makes THEM look good, or feel good about themselves.
Its why many people are suggesting therapists, because its likely to throw up some very uncomfortable feelings, and someone well versed in the pathway through is important to be by your side.
On the plus, you obviously have a husband who cares genuinely and deeply about you. And who has made the decisions, and probably is much better for, reducucing contact with his own toxic background. And who has correctly identified the toxicity here. And you live a decent way away that she is unlikely to bowl up on your doorstep. With luck her response to a slow withdrawal will be a shunning rather than a tantrum, but all the while you play the game and respond in the way she wants you to respond, you are caught up in it.
As others have said - you cannot change her. She is never going to acknowledge her behaviour. She is never going to GENUINELY apologise (watch out for false apologies designed to pull you back into the game) She is, in her mind, perfectly entitled to act as she does, and honestly believes the narrative that she has made about you. Everyone else are merely bit parts in the story of her life - she only is interested in how they relate to her, not having any genuine concern nor interest in the life they have thats outside her interactions with them. She keeps you hanging for the hope that she will show care, compassion and love to you, and to acknowledge that she appreciates all that you do - but that wont happen. You said you like the praise of achieving the impossible and pulling it off - but this sounds as if you are constantly being set up to sort out complex scenarios that have been set as a trap for you. The well dones are meaningless. Its like a game, with ever more complex quests until, as now, you fail, because of course to succeed means sacrificing your own wellbeing and that of your unborn child.
she doesnt appreciate the way you sort out the problems, she feels entitled to you twisting yourself to pull it off, she expects it. Thats not the same thing at all.

Changeforthis79 · 11/06/2022 11:10

I haven't read through the entire thread, but from what you've said so far your mother is absolutely insane! And quite possibly a narcissist.

LookItsMeAgain · 11/06/2022 13:05

Have there been any further texts/messages/calls about this supposed broken ankle? She'd have her foot in a cast if there was a broken bone there. She'd be on crutches if she had a broken bone. She'd be advised to not bear any weight on that foot if she had a broken ankle/foot. I'd say she is walking around today, without a care in the world.

Hope you're doing ok @DWofMN .

DWofMN · 11/06/2022 21:39

So, by way of an update, I've had a bit of a whirlwind day. I had my appointment this morning so I didn't attend the meeting. I can see that everyone else spoke for about an hour - no messages in the group chat since. DM messaged a few hours later asking to borrow my air cast from when I broke my ankle. I responded saying that I don't have it any more and that it was for the other foot anyway (both of which are true) but left it at that. And she responded saying that's ok.

At my appointment today, the midwife noticed a few things that raised an alarm so sent me to the hospital - so I'm currently admitted to hospital. It feels really tough not to reach out to my family right now and let them know but, equally, I think that I've made such a stand by not going to the meeting that I don't want to give all that up right now...so I'm powering through. I'm focusing on the baby and hoping everything is ok there.

I appreciate all your support. I know it sounds a bit nutty but you really have had a big impact on me, even though I've never met any of you in real life (or maybe I have 😊).

OP posts:
RampantIvy · 11/06/2022 21:58

I hope all is OK with the baby Flowers

Dashel · 11/06/2022 22:03

I hope that your hospital stay is brief and everything ok.

please just stay away from your family… this will just be seen as another excuse. It doesn’t matter what was said or agreed at this meeting as you are better of not dealing with the crazy

Have you got any friends that you can reach out to for extra support?

Fluffycloudland77 · 11/06/2022 22:04

You’ll be in the best place for both of you. Your poor dh must be so worried.

Peridot1 · 11/06/2022 22:05

What a day for you.

Now concentrate on you. And your baby. That’s all you need to do right now. Nothing else.

Breathe. Relax. Nothing you can do except breathe and relax. All that’s important right now is you, your baby and your DH and DS. Push the rest of it away.

REignbow · 11/06/2022 22:28

Well done @DWofMN

l agree with the PP in that she hasn’t broken her ankle. Ask yourself this. Surely, if she had then the hospital would have given her an air cast?

She using every manipulative trick to get you to fall in line.

You have said that she treats your son very well, but she doesn’t. You are the scapegoat to bully and made to feel guilty and bad. This behaviour is not healthy and is not something that your DC should be around.

I also suspect that she will treat your daughter very differently to your son (as she appears to favour males in the family).

Please keep reading, please keep asking and please look after yourself as you have been and are unwell in your pregnancy.

Flowers For you

CPL593H · 11/06/2022 22:39

Look after yourself OP. Flowers

Kennykenkencat · 11/06/2022 22:40

If your mother had broken her ankle wouldn’t the hospital have provided her with a boot?

Why is she asking you?

Robinni · 11/06/2022 23:05

I'm focusing on the baby and hoping everything is ok there.

This is the healthiest thing you’ve said this whole time. Really hope you and baby are ok, please take care. You should be really proud of yourself for drawing those boundaries 💐

Threetulips · 11/06/2022 23:17

She’s poking at you for a reaction. You kept your message short and clear. She wasn’t expecting that as normally you go running and tending to her needs. This will escalate until the desired normal level of concern return: just be careful - don’t fall into that trap.

WishILivedInThrushGreen · 11/06/2022 23:29

Focus, now, on you and your baby.
You've been admitted to hospital and this stress is something that you don't need right now.

All the very best OP.

NettleTea · 11/06/2022 23:36

Sorry you are in hospital and hope all is well with you.

Im glad you managed to keep things brief - again, to echo others, had it been a real break they would have given her a cast at the hospital as they would want to ensure that the bones remain stable to allow them to heal. Im glad you didnt have what she wanted, because Im assuming she was expecting you to drive over to deliver it, so that saved you any kind of refusal to do so.

just try to take it easy now

JackieQueen · 11/06/2022 23:43

All the best to you and baby. 💐

Isaidnoalready · 12/06/2022 00:18

Mute her and the group focus on yourself

Vivi0 · 12/06/2022 00:20

@DWofMN

I’m so sorry to read your update.

I hope all is okay with the baby.

Newestname002 · 12/06/2022 06:50

@DWofMN

It feels really tough not to reach out to my family right now and let them know but, equally, I think that I've made such a stand by not going to the meeting that I don't want to give all that up right now...so I'm powering through. I'm focusing on the baby and hoping everything is ok there.

The only thing you need to do, dear OP, is focus on your own health and that of your baby. Stay calm and let your husband deal with all other things and people who are non-essential in your current situation. In fact mute their numbers and the WhatsApp group so that you are outside all that "noise" so they have no access to you directly. You really don't need any additional stress.

My very best wishes to you and your own little family. 🌹

Turnthatoff · 12/06/2022 07:09

Kennykenkencat · 11/06/2022 22:40

If your mother had broken her ankle wouldn’t the hospital have provided her with a boot?

Why is she asking you?

Exactly. I’m guessing it’s not broken.

CaveMum · 12/06/2022 07:31

Sorry to hear that you have been admitted. Get lots of rest and take things easy. Focus on the baby and let your husband be your gatekeeper, let him deal with any messages from your family.

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