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So sick of walking on eggshells but can't deal with the fall-out if I don't. Advice please!

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DWofMN · 09/06/2022 11:43

I'm using DH's account, I'm not a MNer so please forgive me if I mess up the terminology - and apologies that this is long.

DH posted recently about an issue I'm having with my family and the general advice was either to go NC or to stand up to them - I don't feel like I can do either because DM has a temper but I love her dearly and treasure her in my life. She's an amazing GP to DS.

There are a few incidents playing on my mind and I don't know how to handle them:

DH and I are moving house to a new location, just over two hours from where we live. DM messaged me a couple of weeks ago to say that DSis was going on holiday to "nearby" the new house and, because DSis wanted to do an "adult only" activity with her DH, they had asked DM to come along and babysit DN. DM suggested we take this opportunity to show her our new house (I don't see why she needs to see it tbh) and I said I'd speak to the agent. The agent said it basically depends how busy they are - the owners won't allow us to just have free access to the house (it's vacant) which is fair enough so the agent said he'd do a viewing for DM if he has a slot available on the day but that he'd be prioritising people viewing properties who are actually going to purchase them (which is also fair enough). It also tied in well because I'm in my third trimester now and DSis still has my 0+ baby seat from when DN was little - and I need it back. So, I could tie in getting that back from her, I asked her to take it with her so I could get it back and she said she would. I've been anxious to get it back because DSis isn't the most reliable and I'm worried it'll be broken or missing parts and I need to know ASAP because it's part of our whole travel system.

On the day, the agent said that, unfortunately, he's fully booked up and there's no way he can do a viewing of the house for DM but that the vendors have said they have no problem with us going onto the property to look at the gardens and things - and we could also show DM the local area. I relayed this to DM, who was annoyed but ok, and I suggested we do an activity that's right next to the house that DS and DN would enjoy - DM agreed and we said what our ETA was and I sent a link and Google Maps location for the activity. When we arrived, about two hours later, there was no sign of DM and a few minutes later, DH got a text from DM that said "that's too far away..." (even though it's right next to the house she wanted to go and see) so DH replied asking her what she'd like to do. She replied "well, you could suggest somewhere closer for a start" - we don't know where she even is, all she's said to us is that she's staying "nearby the new house" (which was the entire reason she wanted us to book the viewing). She sent us her location, which was almost an hour away (and, by this point, we'd left the house three hours earlier, with a toddler and me being sick the whole time). DH drove the extra hour down and we met DM, DF and DN. DM was in a bad mood the whole time and told us she couldn't stay long (we met at a pub) because they needed to check out by 4pm (it was now gone 2pm) which I thought was odd because they were staying with DSis on her holiday so didn't need to "check out" but whatever. So, at 3.30pm DM went to the bathroom, I checked the time and said to DF we'd better head off to check out - at which point he said there's no rush because there's no check-out time. He said that just as DM reappeared, and she then had a big strop because she'd clearly been caught in a lie and just didn't want to spend any time with me. DF then wanted DH to help with lifting luggage so we went back to their accommodation to help, DSis came back at that point and said that she hadn't brought the car seat because she couldn't fit it in the car... So, I'd spent a day of my bank holiday driving for almost 8 hours to sit with my mum for 2 hours whilst she sulked, have DH sent rude text messages and not get my car seat back! It feels like I did nothing but try to appease her (by trying to get the viewing, by driving the extra hour to her, by pretending to accept she never said they had to check-out, by DH helping them pack, by not responding in kind to her rude messages etc) and all I got in return was her showing that she doesn't care at all.

DS has a birthday coming up and, because people insist on buying huge plastic toys that we have no space for despite us asking multiple times for them not to, we made an online list of gifts we think DS would like that are either activities or very small (a range of prices and no pressure to get anything). The online list is like a wedding gift registry where people say what they've bought so you don't end up with duplicates. For previous birthdays/Christmases, people have asked us for gift ideas and, regardless of what we suggest and even when we say "anything that isn't huge because we have no space", certain relatives insist on purchasing the biggest imaginable toys. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. One of DS's relatives purchased an activity gift from the list to take him to do. The next day, I got an irate message from DM asking why it's no longer available because she wanted to do that one. I asked around and found out, but explained to DM that DS would definitely enjoy doing the activity more than once so she can do it too if she likes - but she said no, she didn't want to do what someone else was doing. So, I had to ask the relative to give that up so DM could do it. Then, on a video call to DM later that day, DS showed her his new toy that he loves that he'd seen whilst we were out shopping (a small toy about £7). DM then got upset because she'd bought him the exact same toy for his birthday (how were we supposed to know that?) and couldn't return it because she'd bought it many months ago. I resolved that by saying we could return the one she has (still in packaging) as if it's the one we bought (they're identical and bought from the same store) and that DS can have the one he currently has a birthday gift from her - so she eventually, and grumpily, accepted that solution.

Then, last night, DM sent a link to our group chat to a holiday home booked for 2 days after my due date this summer. It's five hours drive from where I live, and mine and DH's share would be almost £1000 just for the house. The message accompanying the link said it was so that we could now go on the holiday. DM has been trying to book a family holiday abroad but we pointed out that we couldn't get a passport for the baby (and obviously can't leave a baby that's a day old with a sitter or anything) so obviously we couldn't go - so that was cancelled, with a lot of stropping and angst directed at me. DBro hasn't spoken to me since that was cancelled and DSis has only spoken to confirm she'd bring the car seat and then, when I saw him, to say she hadn't brought it. DSis then responded to the group chat with a pointed and sulky message about "oh, so this is instead of going somewhere nice abroad then?". I feel like I've ruined everyone else's summer holiday plans because I wouldn't go abroad so I feel like I have to agree with this holiday in the UK. But, in truth, we can't afford to pay thousands for a holiday right now and I don't want to book something for two days after the baby is due! I didn't reply in the group chat because I didn't know what to say so then I got a message late last night from DM saying that she's going to phone me today to "nail down my plans for July and August". I can't "nail down my plans" - the baby could come at almost any point in July/August (due date is the very start of August), so my only plan is to be prepared for that.

I feel like the stress of appeasing her is just too much - but it's so much less stress than either confronting her or ignoring her. So, there's no option which isn't stressful. I'm so ill, I have HG and I'm over a stone lighter than my booking-in weight and my weight is going down again. I just want to curl up in a ball, ignore everybody and cry - but that won't resolve the issue. She's going to phone me and I just don't know what to say, I don't even want to answer.

What do I do? I think I just needed to write all of that out.

OP posts:
JasmineFlowering · 12/06/2022 08:14

Sorry to hear you've been admitted op but well done on the replies and the way you are handling yourself with you mother.
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Comtesse · 12/06/2022 08:27

Rest up and hope the medics get to the bottom of things very soon Flowers

Thinkingblonde · 12/06/2022 08:33

Turnthatoff · 12/06/2022 07:09

Exactly. I’m guessing it’s not broken.

Exactly this, when I broke my ankle I was put into a temporary open plaster cast. The front part was open to allow for any swelling, it was then covered with an elastic bandage. It was really heavy, I had to go back two days later to hav it x-rayed, the plaster cast was replaced with a closed lighter fibre glass one. On crutches and None weight bearing for six weeks, I didn’t get an air cast until after that.
Hope your feeling better op.

Terfydactyl · 12/06/2022 08:47

Threetulips · 11/06/2022 23:17

She’s poking at you for a reaction. You kept your message short and clear. She wasn’t expecting that as normally you go running and tending to her needs. This will escalate until the desired normal level of concern return: just be careful - don’t fall into that trap.

This is true, itll be a bigger thing next time. I think most of us have said versions of change your number, "lose" your phone, be hacked, whatever you need to do to get peace from this.
I think once you have discovered how nice it is without the escalating drama, you will realise you really need to go VLC or NC.

It's a win, you get to be calm for the rest of your pregnancy, your mother might be ignoring you by the time baby is born cos you didnt react to her drama. So another win.
Try it, see how it feels.

NettleTea · 12/06/2022 08:58

maybe a thrombosis scare because she wasnt able to have the cast you selfishly didnt provide.

Either ways yes, things WILL escalate

Any health issues, say 'oh my goodness that sounds awful, A&E sounds like the best place - because after all you are not a medical professional I assume

Anything else simply 'Im afraid Im in hospital as an inpatient right now'

If these are coming just to you, and not to the group chat, I would always forward them to the group, add your reply there, and ask if anyone else might be available to help? that way you are doing two things - holding her batshittery to the rest of the family, but under the guise of being caring and trying to get her help, especially FROM HER OWN HUSBAND WHO IS RIGHT THERE NEXT TO HER

I am assuming the 'broken ankle' is, at the most, a twist.If it exists at all

LookItsMeAgain · 12/06/2022 09:00

Kennykenkencat · 11/06/2022 22:40

If your mother had broken her ankle wouldn’t the hospital have provided her with a boot?

Why is she asking you?

100% this.

I do hope your hospital stay is short and that you're doing better soon

Wrongkindofovercoat · 12/06/2022 09:23

Try not to think about the meeting , it was a meeting about a holiday you are not going on, so it honestly doesn't matter if they spent an hour talking about booking somewhere abroad, a cottage here in the UK or a retreat learning how to make macrame out of yak hair.

Would you have been able to reach out to your family, what with the massively dysfunctional pregnancy purdah in place ? How would you square the circle of being in hospital whilst simultaneously not mentioning the fact that it is related to your pregnancy ?

Hope you feel better soon Flowers

tableandchairsgreen · 12/06/2022 10:25

Good luck Op! Focus on yourself. Sending you 10000 best wishes.

Be prepared for some kind of health escalation. ‘Suspected’ stroke, heart attack, fainting fit. Anything that can’t be proven either way.

mute the WhatsApp.

you can’t control anyone else’s behaviour. Only your own.

hugs !

Robinni · 12/06/2022 11:57

NettleTea · 12/06/2022 08:58

maybe a thrombosis scare because she wasnt able to have the cast you selfishly didnt provide.

Either ways yes, things WILL escalate

Any health issues, say 'oh my goodness that sounds awful, A&E sounds like the best place - because after all you are not a medical professional I assume

Anything else simply 'Im afraid Im in hospital as an inpatient right now'

If these are coming just to you, and not to the group chat, I would always forward them to the group, add your reply there, and ask if anyone else might be available to help? that way you are doing two things - holding her batshittery to the rest of the family, but under the guise of being caring and trying to get her help, especially FROM HER OWN HUSBAND WHO IS RIGHT THERE NEXT TO HER

I am assuming the 'broken ankle' is, at the most, a twist.If it exists at all

If these are coming just to you, and not to the group chat, I would always forward them to the group, add your reply there, and ask if anyone else might be available to help? that way you are doing two things - holding her batshittery to the rest of the family, but under the guise of being caring and trying to get her help, especially FROM HER OWN HUSBAND WHO IS RIGHT THERE NEXT TO HER

This is a great idea!

DWofMN · 12/06/2022 12:03

DSis has messaged the group to say that DN is ill and was in A&E last night. There's no way DSis would lie about DN's health. He has an on-going issue that's a bit difficult because she's adamant something is wrong but the doctors are saying he's fine so it's tricky - he's quite little still so it's harder to figure out exactly what's going on. We've all responded to ask if he's ok and how he's doing and offer support - but DSis has replied to DM and both DBros but not to me. Not sure what to make of that. She obviously has bigger things on her plate than any problems with me but seems a bit mean if she's ignoring me on purpose.

OP posts:
AlisonDonut · 12/06/2022 12:17

Is all this happening at the same hospital?

Robinni · 12/06/2022 12:27

Answer

I really hope he’s ok I’m at the same hospital too/other hospital at the moment.

This sort of a message shows you are being kind. But also raises the fact that you’ve been seriously ill to the whole family.

Somebody will ask what’s going on with you. Say “Been in a wheel chair with HG etc, 6th time in hospital, few complications with baby yest so being cautious… Gosh what a rotten wk with DN ill too. Lots of love etc “

MercurialMonday · 12/06/2022 12:34

DWofMN · 12/06/2022 12:03

DSis has messaged the group to say that DN is ill and was in A&E last night. There's no way DSis would lie about DN's health. He has an on-going issue that's a bit difficult because she's adamant something is wrong but the doctors are saying he's fine so it's tricky - he's quite little still so it's harder to figure out exactly what's going on. We've all responded to ask if he's ok and how he's doing and offer support - but DSis has replied to DM and both DBros but not to me. Not sure what to make of that. She obviously has bigger things on her plate than any problems with me but seems a bit mean if she's ignoring me on purpose.

I don't think you need to do anything more.

Focus on your health and pg if they need help or support they know where you are and there seem to be family members nearer.

Maybe get your DH to monitor the chat for updates. Try and stop overthinking every interaction - she's busy with health things as are you not every comment needs a reply.

You really need to take a huge mental step back and not get caught up in all their drama - you seriously have enough of your own. Your DN is in right place to get medical help and your DSis has other support. You need to focus on your health and the health of your unborn baby - this DN situation needs no rushing around or action on your part.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 12/06/2022 12:56

So DN went to A&E and was discharged or has been admitted ?

Do any of them know you are in hospital ?

Honestly, you have asked after DN and shown care and concern, that is all you can physically do at the moment, nobody could or should expect anymore from you.

Vivi0 · 12/06/2022 12:57

DWofMN · 12/06/2022 12:03

DSis has messaged the group to say that DN is ill and was in A&E last night. There's no way DSis would lie about DN's health. He has an on-going issue that's a bit difficult because she's adamant something is wrong but the doctors are saying he's fine so it's tricky - he's quite little still so it's harder to figure out exactly what's going on. We've all responded to ask if he's ok and how he's doing and offer support - but DSis has replied to DM and both DBros but not to me. Not sure what to make of that. She obviously has bigger things on her plate than any problems with me but seems a bit mean if she's ignoring me on purpose.

You’re getting the silent treatment from your sister. I can’t imagine you’ve got to this point in your life without having had the silent treatment from one of them before? The silent treatment is a favourite tool of an abusive mum - it goes with the territory.

Don’t worry about it, don’t think about how to make it stop, don’t give it a second thought. You’ve already responded regarding your DN. Nothing else you can do.

Fuck them.

Kennykenkencat · 12/06/2022 13:05

DWofMN · 12/06/2022 12:03

DSis has messaged the group to say that DN is ill and was in A&E last night. There's no way DSis would lie about DN's health. He has an on-going issue that's a bit difficult because she's adamant something is wrong but the doctors are saying he's fine so it's tricky - he's quite little still so it's harder to figure out exactly what's going on. We've all responded to ask if he's ok and how he's doing and offer support - but DSis has replied to DM and both DBros but not to me. Not sure what to make of that. She obviously has bigger things on her plate than any problems with me but seems a bit mean if she's ignoring me on purpose.

Are you sure this isn’t another lie?
As we all said the flying monkeys would come out.

The boot thing didn’t get you to toe the line so the scenario now involves your DN

Maybe being cynical but maybe the discussion you aren’t party to is about how you haven’t run around to fix stuff and it is throwing them into panic that you are not being you

Which is a good thing.

If you say you are in hospital that will explain to them why you haven’t done what they expected you to do.

Keep quiet and let them stew

Isaidnoalready · 12/06/2022 13:10

Has anyone actually asked after you lately?

ohfourfoxache · 12/06/2022 13:21

You need to disengage completely for now

Mute the chat, and concentrate on yourself

You cannot change anyone else, but you CAN change how you react to them

Thejoyfulstar · 12/06/2022 13:24

My husband is a great advocate of 'the wet fart technique'. If someone texts or says something crap, resist the urge to respond and let it hang in the air like a 'wet fart'. It's surprisingly effective while being low in the confrontation stakes.

Threetulips · 12/06/2022 13:52

I am one of 4, we have a group chat, but chat amongst ourselves as well. mother doesn’t need to know Everything!

Build up your relationship with your sister - message her separately from the group -

Just a quick message - How’s DN now? What a week with DM broken ankle, me in hospital with x and now DN! How we all ride the storm. X

Then see how she responds without an audience pulling her in different directions .

JasmineFlowering · 12/06/2022 13:57

Yeah I think replying to one and not the whole group might be a better idea.

MercurialMonday · 12/06/2022 14:03

Build up your relationship with your sister - message her separately from the group

From my reading of the thread Dsis is as much of an issue as DMum - she is also saying the OP can't talk about her pg - isn't retuning car seats.

Op had a pg with complications, is moving house and starting a new job all in next few months - that enough stress for anyone - she needs to disengage from whole show - siblings and DP - as they have established dynamics that have OP is a role that is actively harming her wellbeing.

It's also likely the siblings and Dad will be the flying monkeys trying to get her back into her old role for the DMum.

She doesn't need to run making up with various people, make groups, play games - she needs mental space and to focus on her children, DH and herself at least till baby and move are settled.

BatshitBanshee · 12/06/2022 14:24

Your sister has literally gone out of her way to ignore you, even when her child is ill. That's how big her resentment is towards you. Do yourself a favour OP and just silence or archive the group chat now. They don't respond to you or engage with you in any meaningful way, only to be rude or snarky. Look after you and the baby now, you don't need that stress.

schmalex · 12/06/2022 14:32

They all sound absolutely toxic @DWofMN. If you want a recommendation for an excellent therapist who helped me sort out my family relationships (or how I enabled them) then drop me a DM. The therapist I used was incredible and offers online sessions.

Mulhollandmagoo · 12/06/2022 14:46

BatshitBanshee · 12/06/2022 14:24

Your sister has literally gone out of her way to ignore you, even when her child is ill. That's how big her resentment is towards you. Do yourself a favour OP and just silence or archive the group chat now. They don't respond to you or engage with you in any meaningful way, only to be rude or snarky. Look after you and the baby now, you don't need that stress.

Please listen to this!!! There is so much focus on this group chat, mute/archive it and if someone asks you why you've been quiet, say you've been in hospital. Start slowly moving away if you can't do it all in one go.

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