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Boris has survived the vote. Anyone pleased ?

273 replies

Heynowheynows · 07/06/2022 14:16

And do you think he can survive in the long term ..

OP posts:
Alexandra2001 · 07/06/2022 20:25

Yes the WD with the EU is terrible, why he signed it is a mystery and now as we face rising costs, the WD adds to what we have to pay, on top of loss of opportunities for the young which we took for granted and less staff for the job we wont or can't do.... lose lose!

We may yet still see the break up the Union and a return to violence in NI..... but he's a Libertarian... is he xxxx! just another image he has cultivated.

ilovesooty · 07/06/2022 20:27

I still think that anyone who defends a documented liar like Johnson has as little moral compass as he has.

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 20:31

BJ wouldn't have faced a no confidence vote had he had just one party

He has only been fined for one gathering.
And the media are exaggerating his involvement - I heard LBC's Natasha Devon claim a few days ago that "Tory MPs" were partying the night before Prince Philip's funeral. Many of the civil servants involved probably don't even vote Conservative. Boris Johnson was at Chequers when the party took place.

Peregrina · 07/06/2022 20:38

a decent communicator,

You clearly didn't listen to the interview he did with Justine of Mumsnet.

What, er um, look, er, er, er do, er, er um um, you regard as um er the the er decent communication?

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 20:55

ilovesooty
I still think that anyone who defends a documented liar like Johnson has as little moral compass as he has

Keir Starmer's account of what happened in Durham has more holes in it than a string vest - whether he is fined or not:

He lied about how many people were there; first there were "about 6" then "about 15 or so" -
order-order.com/2022/05/16/starmer-revises-count-up-from-6-to-15-attendees-at-beergate/

Yesterday on LBC he said their were three teams: his team, Angela Rayner and her team, Mary Foy and her team - his answer in the first interview above now indicates to me that he was complicit in covering up Angela Rayner's presence.

He said 'all the restaurants and pubs were shut and there was nowhere else to eat'.
Restaurants and pubs with outside seating were open - he ate out at a restaurant in Hull (with Labour MPs/colleagues) the night before Durham;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10795283/Keir-Starmer-cancels-speech-amid-claims-hell-forced-RESIGN-hes-fined-beergate.html

He met a Mirror journalist 'in a pub' (outside) the week before Durham;

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/mirror-meets-keir-starmer-pub-23971784

He suggested that the takeaway was spontaneous - then we found out that it was planned;

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/keir-starmer-beergate-durham-hartlepool-curry-angela-rayner-covid-rules-b998681.html

There is still a question mark over whether he went back to work...

Alexandra2001 · 07/06/2022 21:00

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 20:31

BJ wouldn't have faced a no confidence vote had he had just one party

He has only been fined for one gathering.
And the media are exaggerating his involvement - I heard LBC's Natasha Devon claim a few days ago that "Tory MPs" were partying the night before Prince Philip's funeral. Many of the civil servants involved probably don't even vote Conservative. Boris Johnson was at Chequers when the party took place.

He attended many more and lied about them... to Parliament.

whether he did that knowingly is yet to be decided.

Start a thread on european and UK politicians who may have broken LD rules please, this one is clearly about Boris.... as well you know.

Morte · 07/06/2022 21:03

i appreciate that what I’m about to say is not really responding to the point of Clavinova’s post but I really couldn’t give a stuff about Starmer’s curry. I hope he had one, enjoyed it and didn’t bother to go back to work after because he’d been working all day. I like him. I don’t love some of his politics and he’s a bit unfortunate sometimes in his manner but he has good manners.

Boris has survived the vote. Anyone pleased ?
Boris has survived the vote. Anyone pleased ?
DuncinToffee · 07/06/2022 21:04

He lied and lied and has now said he would do it again, it's not about cake.

Blossomtoes · 07/06/2022 21:06

If he’s found guilty he’ll be fined and resign @Clavinova. Do you think that will help Johnson? Fortunately the Labour Party has a number of viable alternatives to replace him if necessary.

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 21:10

Alexandra2001
He attended many more and lied about them

I haven't seen any evidence (yet) that Boris Johnson attended what I would call a 'party'.

Start a thread on european and UK politicians who may have broken LD rules please, this one is clearly about Boris.... as well you know

In which case - why did you post (a fairly lengthy post) about the merits of Jeremy Corbyn upthread???

Notonthestairs · 07/06/2022 21:13

Well the Privileges Committee may well winkle a few more pertinent details out.

There will be more to come out. There always is with Johnson.

Notonthestairs · 07/06/2022 21:14

And of course it doesn't have to be a party - just an illegal gathering will do.

DuncinToffee · 07/06/2022 21:16

Gathering was the legal tern, so it doesn't matter it didn't look like a party to you.

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 21:24

Well the Privileges Committee may well winkle a few more pertinent details out

That reminds me - Labour MP Chris Bryant - (usual) Chair of the Committees on Standards and Privileges said that Keir Starmer had been 'straight all along' about the gathering in Durham - what a joke! And as far as I can see, Chris Bryant tweets and retweets any old rubbish/fake news he reads on social media - not an obvious choice for the Chair of the Committees on Standards and Privileges.

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 21:25

And of course it doesn't have to be a party - just an illegal gathering will do

Quite - but I think Boris Johnson was asked about 'parties'.

Notonthestairs · 07/06/2022 21:26

That reminded you or you just needed to pivot? Grin

I'm not here to defend Bryant - just to point out Johnson's troubles aren't over.
By elections. Privileges Committee. Covid Inquiry.

Blossomtoes · 07/06/2022 21:28

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 21:25

And of course it doesn't have to be a party - just an illegal gathering will do

Quite - but I think Boris Johnson was asked about 'parties'.

Semantics. If only you Tories were as pedantic about morals as you are about words.

Notonthestairs · 07/06/2022 21:29

No I don't think Johnson filled in questionnaires about "parties". (If he did fill them in of course.)

But it doesn't matter how any of us define a party. The law applied to unnecessary (work) gatherings.

Vikki69 · 07/06/2022 21:30

KirstenBlest · 07/06/2022 14:21

Yes, if he's there at the general election we might get Keir Starmer as PM

if Johnson goes, who'd replace him?

Not a hope in hell.
What are his policies? Oh? Oh oh?
NONE. How can you have a politician who leads a party with no policies,

ilovesooty · 07/06/2022 21:32

@Clavinova more desperate whataboutery.

Johnson and his lies go back years. And he, and no one else, is the PM. He has lied to Parliament and to the Queen. Anyone who defends that is lacking in any moral compass, imo.

HeArInGhandsgirl11 · 07/06/2022 21:33

MeanderingGently · 07/06/2022 16:02

To answer the OPs question, I'm pleased, I thought Boris would get through the no confidence vote but I did wonder if it would be by just one or two votes. It wasn't, it was 63 votes and despite the doom-mongering of BBC/ITV etc., that was a decent amount of votes.

To the pp who suggested that only a few "unhinged" still vote conservative/support Boris, well, I don't consider myself unhinged in the slightest although each to their own views and all that. I have commented before about my support for Boris (and so do many of my family, friends and neighbours...there are plenty of us in my social circle) but it only produces vitriol on here, so most of us just keep quiet.

To those pp who have said "where are the supporters in the last 24 hours"...in my case, I've been at work since 6am, only just got home and read this thread. Didn't want to read and run without making some comment.

Why do I support Boris? He is the only one who actually managed to get BREXIT done and I was, and am, a BREXIT supporter. I truly believe Boris has tried to listen to the people...I felt he led us through the pandemic, he was very forward-thinking in rolling out the vaccinations, he is doing his best in dealing with the Ukraine situation.

I honestly and truly think he saw his appearance at the so-called parties as work gatherings. Some were, some were held outdoors as per the rules, for instance. It is normal practice in the House of Commons to retire to the bar to continue discussions over a drink; I am assuming (but it is true, I have no evidence of this) that he saw it as the same type of thing. Perhaps this is why he was only fined for one so-called party. I do believe his apologies were sincere, and quite honestly, I can't get upset over the parties anyway. If the only thing a PM gets wrong is to appear at his own birthday party some time two years ago, I really think those who are "out to get at Boris" are scraping the barrel.

I think the public outrage at "party gate" is being whipped up by the media and those who are still angry over BREXIT. The media are particularly bad at not letting things go, and continuing the negative comments constantly, over and over. The BBC and ITV think they are speaking for the whole country when they use phrases like "the country's public do not want to let this go" (as ITV did on the 10pm news last night) ....this is not so, don't include me in your sweeping generalisations!
The BBC is just as bad, the early morning news reporter today delighted in saying "more than 40% voted AGAINST Boris" rather than the equally true "more than 50% voted FOR him".

I really do think we should drop it now and move on to more important things, I am happy for Boris to lead the country and would vote Conservative again in a general election.

Completely agree with everything you have said, couldn't of explained it any better

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 21:40

Blossomtoes
If [Starmer] is found guilty he’ll be fined and resign

He has no choice - Starmer said Rishi Sunak must resign when he was fined.
Starmer might be lucky - Durham police let this 100th birthday party go ahead on the 10th May 2020 (earlier date than the Number 10 parties) - organised by a Labour Mayor and attended by Labour MP Kevan Jones;

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18484861.mp-kevan-jones-defends-decision-attend-100th-birthday-party-lockdown/

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/06/2022 21:42

@Clavinova, do you really think that the 0 FPNs issued to Keir Starmer is the same as 120+ FPNs for law breaking, issued to 10 Downing Street?

PM Johnson's official residence is the most fined, for breach of Covid laws, address in the UK.🙈😆

Blossomtoes · 07/06/2022 21:47

Clavinova · 07/06/2022 21:40

Blossomtoes
If [Starmer] is found guilty he’ll be fined and resign

He has no choice - Starmer said Rishi Sunak must resign when he was fined.
Starmer might be lucky - Durham police let this 100th birthday party go ahead on the 10th May 2020 (earlier date than the Number 10 parties) - organised by a Labour Mayor and attended by Labour MP Kevan Jones;

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18484861.mp-kevan-jones-defends-decision-attend-100th-birthday-party-lockdown/

I know he’s got no choice. Because it’s the right thing to do and he has integrity.

Notonthestairs · 07/06/2022 21:53

Conservatives getting their excuses in early for if Starmer doesn't get an FPN I see.

(I have no idea whether he'll get one or not!)