Boris has survived the vote. Anyone pleased ?

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And do you think he can survive in the long term ..

They have helped out with these payments though. I'm grateful for the 400 towards the winter bills and my council tax rebate. I still won't vote for them , but it's more than I ever got from previous tory governments! They took my child benefits away though , that really helped me when mine were babies ! But being a universal payment for everyone was also madness , so I can see why it was cut etc etc.
Those points I made earlier is how my conservative voting friends answer any criticism I make about the government. I know it's all pie on the sky , but they still believe in it and them and this is what they say , the positives.
Yes , the key demographic that I know were the original 'working classes ' made rich ( or comfortable) from 'Conservative values . ' Including my own tory voting Dh , we agree to disagree ! ( but we are not mega wealthy )
My siblings are the same too ( but older 'boomers' )

I mean he's hardly going to come out and say 'fuck Ukraine' is he?? Russia invading is so demonstrably wrong that you'd have to be literally insane as a western country not to support Ukraine, wouldn't you?

What a low bar. If that's all people have got... Wow.

Ukraine is something Johnson can legitimately brag about... unfortunately voters don't care about foreign policy and it's done fuck all to help his personal ratings.

Correct. The only thing that has been done is a lot of damage.

I wonder if Boris has finally got a new Machiavellian advisor working behind the scenes. He originally had Dominic Cummings, just as Blair had Alastair Campbell. Recent tactics suggest so, with the suspiciously fortunate (for Boris) timing of events and announcements that conveniently buried or deflected bad news.

For Boris, after the publication of Sue Gray's report and the trickle of letters to Graham Brady calling for a no confidence vote, when would be the best time to face that vote? Probably after the announcement of the cost of living giveaways, after the Jubilee, but before the two by-elections and the Privileges Committee's investigation into the misleading of parliament, or any more cost of living bad news. Machiavelli says "Hey Boris, the best time to face the vote is now. If you wait, you could lose. Tell your ministers to write to Brady calling for a vote. It's all secret and confidential and once he receives 54 letters we can have the vote and win it."

I merely pointed out some examples of how he's actually a pal of Ukraine's oppressor. Which you then agreed with.
I don't consider admitting a rich British kid of Russian origin as a Lord an action nearly on the same scale as his support, sorry. Not bothered in the slightest.

Look at Scholz.

I’m hoping they call this snap election they keep hinting at.

The Tories out of power. I wish so much this would happen.

I'm pleased, the longer he clings on, the more he runs his party into the ground. They're already done, but it's good that he's cementing a probable Tory loss at the next election by refusing to go.

In answer to the OP, no and no.

This short Boris video has 4.7 million views so far:
twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1533765420427186179?cxt=HHwWhsC41cHhg8kqAAAA

I’m delighted.

Win win for the opposition whether he stays or goes.

Boomer here - Boris and his merry band of cunts can fuck off.

That's up to you of course. But I'm bothered. I think the Lebedevs are dodgy as hell with links to Putin. It's an example of corruption and that is something that I feel runs through Johnson and his government.

I can't see 'but he supports Ukraine' as much endorsement tbh. He supports whomever he thinks it politically expedient to support.

And on a related note I will never forget his comments about Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. People who think his handle on foreign affairs is a good one need to think a little harder.

This baby boomer hates him as much as you do. So does her Tory husband. So that strategy isn’t working.

There is the rhetoric and there is reality.

The UK, including his Govt, refused point blank to sell any defensive weapons to Ukraine after 2014 (invasion of Crimea) for fear of upsetting Putin.

It was only in October 2021, months after Russia was building up forces on the Ukraine border that the UK had talks to supply some Brimstone missiles.

Zelenskyy is no fool, he massages the ego's of all Western Govt's that have supplied (or might supply) weapons to Ukraine.

Johnson said in 2016, that it was EU foreign policy that was to blame for Russia attacking Crimea, always one to blame whatever is expedient to further his ambition, in this case Brexit, also supported & apparently funded by Putin.

The Tories have never looked too far into Russian influence in our democratic process or in money laundering in London and the UK's overseas territories.

Boris Johnson as PM, saying a basically common sense sentence which Keir Starmer can’t bring himself to say because of Twitter, was a good thing.

Why, when he has never acted on it despite three years in power?

They dished out furlough - I would never have thought to see a Tory govt do such a thing.

That was already there in pandemic planning. Do you think they should have buggered the economy by forcing businesses to make their employees redundant instead?

They u-turned over the school meals. I WANT a govt who will change their minds for good campaigning and reasoning.

But do you really want a government that keeps making utterly stupid, indefensible decisions in the first place? See also Paterson and the U-turn over him.

More screeching “have a windfall tax! Do something!” Result was windfall tax and up to £1200 for the most vulnerable but £400 to everyone, tax payer or not.

Well, exactly, The worst of all possible worlds. It can't be beyond the wit of any vaguely competent government to put in place a fair system that taxes windfalls whilst ameliorating financial problems for the worse-off in our society.

It’s pathetic, it really is.

Yes, this government certainly is.

No-one thinks that a man can grow a cervix.

Only last November, Johnson was laughing at the use of tanks

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2022/02/watch-boris-johnson-claimed-the-days-of-big-tank-battles-in-europe-were-over

They can change the rules. There is no inherent reason why a delay of 12 months has to happen.

Boomer here - Boris and his merry band of cunts can fuck off

Same here. And DH, and all my friends, Bils and Sils. I’m 58. I voted Labour all my life. We all fucking hate him. I’d love to meet these ‘Boomers’ who vote for him. These are the Boomers that were young adults in the Thatcher years right? What joy that was. Why would anyone vote for that again.

No-one thinks that a man can grow a cervix

they think men can get one with surgery and hormone treatment

He'd be able to get a much better paid job in industry, maybe some after dinner speaking, and have an easy ride without all the snide remarks, criticism, and no stress.

The first is extremely unlikely - he doesn't know how to do a day's work. He might go back to Journalism, which in his case was making things up.

Sadly the latter is true - lots of after dinner speeches of piffle and waffle with people who have foolishly parted with a lot of money, so of course will applaud him to the rafters.

lots of after dinner speeches of piffle and waffle with people who have foolishly parted with a lot of money, so of course will applaud him to the rafters

They’re welcome to him. At least we won’t be troubled by him.

Why do I support Boris? He is the only one who actually managed to get BREXIT done and I was, and am, a BREXIT supporter. I truly believe Boris has tried to listen to the people...

Are you happy about all those jobs that have disappeared, the gaps on supermarket shelves, all those queues on the route to Dover?

I felt he led us through the pandemic

What did you feel about those missed Cobra meetings, the delay in lockdown meaning a longer lockdown, the PPE failures, the care home disaster, the lucrative contracts going to cabinet ministers' friends and relatives?

I honestly and truly think he saw his appearance at the so-called parties as work gatherings. Some were, some were held outdoors as per the rules, for instance. It is normal practice in the House of Commons to retire to the bar to continue discussions over a drink; I am assuming (but it is true, I have no evidence of this) that he saw it as the same type of thing. Perhaps this is why he was only fined for one so-called party. I do believe his apologies were sincere, and quite honestly, I can't get upset over the parties anyway. If the only thing a PM gets wrong is to appear at his own birthday party some time two years ago, I really think those who are "out to get at Boris" are scraping the barrel.

You really think it's OK for the person responsible for the rules not to understand them? Do you want a Prime Minister whose only defence to blatant lawbreaking is that he was too thick to understand his own laws? How could the birthday event be a work gathering when his wife and interior decorator were there? How could he have thought it was OK when he was telling little girls that they couldn't have birthday parties? Have you really forgotten that, whilst he was partying, terminally ill patients were having to die alone and people weren't allowed to go to funerals of those they loved?

The BBC is just as bad, the early morning news reporter today delighted in saying "more than 40% voted AGAINST Boris" rather than the equally true "more than 50% voted FOR him".

But what you've forgotten is how he and his supporters claimed that it was absolutely disastrous for Theresa May when a higher proportion voted for her. Also that, of those who were not beholden to him for their jobs, over 70% voted against him. When you only win courtesy of the votes of people over whom you have a very firm financial hold, you really shouldn't be feeling too secure.

I hear you boomers!! My family of boomers don't vote Tory. I just thought it was interesting. Boomers are the biggest voting population (apparently).