Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

I agree, but it's ok for two young girls to be alone in a public toilet yet a grown woman behind a locked door feels more threatened. Those children's feelings come first. Fgs, you are lucky that he didn't give you a barrel of words. Seems like he was more civilized than you op.

Not OK.

Take wipes or call out your fellow men if they behave inappropriately or leave the toilets in a state where they can't be used by young children.

Men need to hold men to a higher standard, not invade women's spaces. If the men's toilets are unsuitable for young children (of both sexes) this is a male problem.

I wouldn't want to take responsibility for a random strangers' child like that. What happens if they need help cleaning or wiping themselves? It would be TOTALLY inappropriate to pass that responsibility onto a stranger.

No he shouldn't be in the ladies. End of.

Toilets are sex segregated for a reason and nobody's special excuses get to trump others people's privacy and dignity.

He should have taken them into the men's like every other dad does until they are old enough to go into the ladies alone.

If you can empathise why he wouldn't want to take his daughters into the men's, it's not a massive stretch to understand why women wouldn't want a strange man wandering around the ladies.

Give over.
This guy was with his kids, so unlikely to do anything unsavoury.

But that’s not the point.

We have SSS in this country - he had nO right to be in there.

My boys won’t rape or attack anyone either.

Should my 6’2 85 kg son be allowed into the ladies then using your logic?

Don't be so ridiculous.

YANBU. If every dad did this then you end up with a situation where you have male toilets and mixed-sex toilets - and no women's toilets.
I had a very similar situation happen to me in a female communal changing room. A dad comes in with his daughters because he didn't want his daughters changing in front of strange men. Yet apparently it was fine for me & my daughter's to have to change in front of HIM.
My DH always took DD into the men's. Women have the right to female-only spaces regardless of who said man may be accompanying.

And how does that work if they still need help wiping or cleaning themselves afterwards?

@bebbanburg That's really off. If the mens' toilets are that bad, are you able to complain to the venue? I think it sends a poor message to your son as well, about respecting female spaces, as if men are entitled to crap their own spheres up and then just swan into the women's spaces.

Family toilets are a great idea!!! There are some in a big shopping center where we live and they're really practical when you have your kids with you. I'm also still shocked at the amount of places that still only have baby chance facilities in womens toilets, really limited where my husband could go alone with our daughter when she was younger.

It's an impossible situation, because a man shouldn't be in womens spaces, but then should young girls be in men's toilets either? It's a tough one. It's something that definitely needs an urgent solution so that everyone feels safe.

Completely agree.

The sheer entitlement, and being demonstrated to your son so very young.

Dirty mens toilets are not women’s problems.

That's a bit ridiculous... What are single dads or just dads out with daughters supposed to do exactly? I'd agree taking two girls in the men's loos would not be a good idea! Poor bloke.

A good question!

But not one for women, and their legally SSS to have to solve.

Legally *protected

Total non-issue. I am very protective of women's spaces, but a man in charge of two such young children (4 especially) needs to go in with them, and I totally agree that the men's is not appropriate. Have a go at MacDonalds for not providing family facilities, not at a man trying to be a good parent.

Use the mens.

This is really awful of you to have humiliated him in front of his daughters like this. He was with his daughters and you were inside a stall. Do you think it would have been more appropriate for his young girls to walk into a toilet where men were stood with their dicks out? His four year old probably needed him there. You’re being totally unreasonable

You'd be outraged with me, I had to run into the men's toilets the other day to retrieve my runaway son and I'm a woman.

@Technonan

"Total non-issue."

Not for Conservative religious women of other faiths it is not.

You don't answer for them.

It wouldn't have bothered me but at the same time I think 4 and 6 is plenty old enough to go to the toilet by themselves with him waiting outside the door. That's what I do with my boys.

And we wonder why women’s right are being slowly eroded when so many don’t see a problem with a man using the ladies because it’s nicer!

This is not a women’s problem to solve!

Single sex spaces are for the designated sex.

No sexually mature male should ever be in there. EVER.

For anyone saying little girls shouldn't have to see men peeing at the urinals would you say the same about little boys? Should no children use the men's bathrooms?

No. It's for him to have a go at mcdonald's for not having a service he prefers.

Not to invade a single sex space because he wants to.

Not really what this is about though is it.

Also, you're angry with the wrong person. There should have been a third option for people in his situation.

Why can't the man complain about the lack of provision for him instead of just using the woman's area?