Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

Oooh what a surprise
no sign of the op
how peculiar 🤔

Except legally, he wasn’t.

The only incident as a child where I remember seeing a penis was when my dad took me swimming and into the mens changing rooms. I vividly remember seeing numerous naked men walking around

It's a tough one, personally I really don't want men in women's toilets but I also think he did the right thing for his daughters- as long as he was respectful.

I have to hold my hand up and confess I've used men's toilets in the past due to very long ladies queues - and everytime they have been dirtier and far more smellier than the ladies. I also took my son to the ladies when he was young.

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I don't see the issue. He'd looking after his daughters. Men's toilets are grim usually so not ideal for little ones using the cubicle.

The issue is he is breaking the law.

Women’s toilets are legally protected single sex spaces.

He is not allowed in there."

Well said! For me, it also smacks of white privilege... just because some women have no problem with men invading their spaces, all women should budge over, despite the fact that many women may have cultural and religious reasons that prevent them from doing this. There's no consideration of the impact this may have on conservative religious women who's needs and wishes can already feel marginalised in our country.

This ridiculous notion that all men are paedophiles is crazy. Two little girls needed the loo, what's the big deal. Hysterical much ??

Yea a grown woman behind a locked cubicle threatened by a man, yet it's ok sending in two very young girls with who knows behind the locked cubicles. I would have no problem with this. You heard him come in with two girls, you think he was coming to have a peep at you?

I wouldn’t have sent DS into the men’s loos on his own at 4yo. I think he was about 8 or 9 when he did that, with me hovering nervously outside.

I wouldn’t have a problem with a dad coming in to ladies’ loos with 2 little girls. I actually have more of a problem with religions that dictate that this would mean women of this religion would no longer be able to use the loos if a man was there

HOW dare you? That is NOT your space and you are intruding into a place you have NO RIGHT to enter.

Some girls and women are traumatised and cannot be in such spaces with strange men - how dare you potentially add to their trauma?

You can’t see dicks when men are at urinals anyway,
Yes you can. Just because in movies they don’t show it, doesn’t mean it’s not on display. Ask any man. They have to purposely not look down when using a urinal.

And a 4 or 6yr old girls eye level is going to be waist high on a man so very hard for them not to see any dick if you force them to use the mens room.

@Quincythequince This is interesting as I didn't know there were laws with regards to single sex spaces. Is this in the U.K. as well? I've always followed my own rule of the parent going into the toilets of what sex they are - so if it's dad with daughters, use the male toilets. If it's mum with sons, use the womens.

OP says He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet.
Not helping them. Stood waiting.

If there was a problem with the mens facilities, he could have asked a member of staff to rectify. Also McDonalds have good accessible toilets.

He had lots of options that didn’t involve entering the ladies toilets!

No!
Beecauae there might be other young unaccompanied girls in there, who come out of the loo confronted by a man.

Why should an 8 yet have to see that in a legally protected single sex space

He shouldn’t be in there.

What you are saying then is there can never be a womens toilet because with the right reason, a man can use it?

You should have asked someone to retrieve him but you obviously feel entitled.

Lmao good luck to the person who attempts to retrieve my son.

Which they could easily do with their dad, in the men's.

What about other young girls in the restaurant who were scared off because there's a fully grown man in the ladies. Don't they matter?

Not to mention he's teaching his daughters and every other girl there, that his preferences are more important than their safety, dignity and right to single sex spaces.

Patriarchy in a nutshell

It is disappointing that some men think it is ok to use the ladies just because the men’s toilet is not to their standard.

And even more disappointing that they are teaching their son this is ok to do.

I don’t want to see a bloke in the ladies - it is that simple. There should be family rooms.

I do have the nip today because for the fifth day running I have come into work and our toilet (and the floor) is practically a dirty protest.

It is a single room so no complaints there but I have to clean it before I use it.

Fucking hell. I've heard it all now.

Is there no end to male entitlement? Bad enough that the poster does it, but he's passing his total absence of respect for boundaries onto his small child as well.

Yes, we have legally protected single sex spaces in the UK.

Although not for long listening to the handmaidens on here.

Immature males going into the female spaces is allowed, accompanied by a member of the correct sex for that space.
Vice versa for immature females into the males too.

Totally agree with this. My brother travels abroad to visit me/our parents with his 18mo and often has to change her nappy in the ladies because there is no changing mat in the men's and no family bathroom.

The needs of the child massively outweigh any adult women's comfort imo. It's the companies not offering any alternative we need to get at not the men with no other choice.

It’s awful isn’t it.
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It’s about females being safe.
Imagine your slightly older daughter, say around 8, so old enough to go to the toilets alone, walked in to the ladies to find a fully grown man standing in there.
It would be terrifying. As an 8 year old, I wouldn’t wait around to see who he was escorted or what he was doing. Id just not use the facilitates that are there for me because a man thinks he’s also equally (or more) entitled to them.

Except, they do not.

What about an 8,9 or 10 year old girl
who comes out of a stall and sees a man just stood there?

You think that’s ok?

So the daughters accompanied by men, have more rights?

So once again mens rights trump.

I don’t think so.

No he shouldn't be in the ladies. End of.
Toilets are sex segregated for a reason and nobody's special excuses get to trump others people's privacy and dignity.
He should have taken them into the men's like every other dad does until they are old enough to go into the ladies alone.

I am a foster carer and have been for several different local authorities. Unfortunately the advice given, well instructions really, are that a foster father must NEVER take young girls into the men's toilets under any circumstances at all. And (although less than ideal) any foster father should do as this father did by going into the ladies with them. Those are the rules we have to follow as young girls seeing men using an urinal would be seen as against safeguarding rules and taken extremely seriously. They would also say that child safeguarding trumps other people's privacy and dignity.

Me either. Plus my DDs would not have been comfortable with a stranger taking them to the loo.