Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

I was simply stating what I’ve seen on here, a few posters saying they use the sinks in public toilets to wash their pants.

Now imagine they didn’t even need the loo, but dad was in Mc D’s and suddenly realised he desperately needed a piss and couldn’t wait long enough to find a more appropriate toilet…

I agree with him. Better that than taking the girls to the gents, he was looking after his daughters properly. Good on him.

And our local McDs only has baby changing in the disabled / accessible loo. Couldn't fit a pushchair in our McD loos. Only two cubicles, tiny, can even get two people passing in there without making physical contact

That's not a safety issue though, that's a modesty issue.

And we generally expect young boys to lump it when it comes to their modesty in female changing-rooms. Rather than adult females going into the male changing-rooms with their sons.

Quite. Just as most of us have never seen a woman washing her knickers in a public loo.

Just standard places in the UK. The softplay we went to recently only had one urinal and one cubicle in the mens, it still had a baby change, it also had one of those little foldaway harness seats in the cubicle.

Emmelina - as a mother of a 4 year old - think it’s perfectly acceptable for her dad to take her to the men’s toilet if no family loos. He would never think of using the women’s!

So in this scenario, does the dad then stop all males from entering the mens toilet while his daughters are using it? If it’s illegal to have a dad in the womens toilet chaperoning his daughters, then it would definitely be illegal to deny men access to their male only space because females are using it?

Just realised you are a man, that explains it 🙄

We really do need family toilets to be much more prevalent. There is really no ideal solution in this instance. Not ideal to have a man in the ladies, but most men probably aren't comfortable with small girls looking at their penis either.

Yes being a man would explain why I find baby changes in the mens toilets, how extraordinary.

Why would a dad be holding a child over the side of a urinal so they can look at a penis?

@Simonjt, it is extraordinary that you won’t believe those of us who are telling you that the baby change is routinely in the disabled loo only where we live.

Really? So little girls being flashed a naked penis is a “modesty issue” if it’s in a mens toilet and nothing to worry about, but everywhere else flashing a naked penis at a 4 and 6yr old would be a traumatic criminal sex offence and result in the man being on the sex offender list. Very strange. I can’t quite wrap my head around the mens toilet being in some alternate universe.

@Tandora
But you’re also a man aren’t you? Otherwise, why would you say this?

I’d do that over taking my small girls into mens toilets personally.

I haven’t said I don’t believe, what I said is that I very very rarely come across a mens toilet that does not have a baby change (unless its somewhere you don’t typically find children) and that disabled facilities have a changing table because many parents have disabilities. P

Not ideal to have a man in the ladies, but most men probably aren't comfortable with small girls looking at their penis either.

What I have learnt from this thread is that it doesn't matter what adult men are comfortable with. If my 5yo son would prefer to go in the "boys", he can - and I can accompany him to keep him safe regardless of how uncomfortable that makes any men using the toilets. Because he's a child and his comfort comes before their right to privacy.

I think its really scummy the keys can be bought on ebay but i think you should buy a couple!

I wouldn't fancy the chances of any man seen deliberately flashing at little girls in a gents' loo (and in the majority of gents' loos I've seen, it'd have to be deliberate). They'd probably have to clean him out of the grouting with a knife. Men in general aren't too fond of nonces.

You don’t have to do that to see dick. Not all urinals have the same privacy features. Some are open steel troughs that a dozen men can stand side by side and pee in with zero privacy and on dick display for anyone to see walking in.

Just as women 'flashing' their breasts in public outside a dedicated changing-area would be indecent exposure. Whereas a woman being undressed in a changing-room is fine.

It's really not that difficult, is it 🙄? Context is everything.

Ah yes sorry, I keep forgetting that some of the women on MN frequent mens toilets more than I do.

Why does it have to be deliberate? Accidental or deliberate the trauma to the girls is the same. And why should the dad be forced to take his little girls into a situation where male violence might erupt?

Yes I said that. That doesn’t say “only poor parents need to urinate when they are out”.