Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

So what do you call women not allowing a 4yr old and a 6yr old girl to use said safe space away from men because their comfort is more important than those little girls safety? I think it is very telling that you are not even mentioning these girls and their right to use a female space.

What is the safety risk to young girls accompanied into a male toilet by a male parent?

It must be significantly less than the safety risk to an unaccompanied young girl in a female toilet which adult males are able to access unchallenged.

Where do these fathers go when they need the toilet when out with their daughters?

Lots of places don’t have family toilets, lots of places don’t have unisex toilets, even if they do the cubicle is the same size if you also have an odd thing about cubicle size, being a parent is not a disability so he absolutely should not use a disabled facility.

Thank you for at least acknowledging that , it’s appreciated 💜

But other women who have had trauma in the womens room with a lone man can be used as a generalised reason to justify no exceptions to the no men allowed rule ? What utter rot. How is it morally acceptable to any woman to sacrifice girls well-being because of this “no exceptions” mentality? It’s harmful extremism.

Why are you now pretending you didn’t say the above?

I wouldn’t be happy to take a random child to the loo any more than I’d expect a child to be happy in that situation.

Discovereads - why is are the male toilets an unsafe for two young girls in the company if their dad? Particularly is the chances of them seeing a penis are already noted to be minimal - if that is what you mean by being unsafe? Not talking about children who have been victims of trauma.

Read the thread. I and others have answered this question too many times already.

Lots of disabled toilets also double as baby change/ unisex loos. When I’m out with my infant and toddler those are what I use, as I find it impossible to squeeze us all into small cubicles, especially with a pram. I’d do that over taking my small girls into mens toilets personally.

Weighing in as someone who spent years as a McDonald's cleaner - the men's toilets in the restaurant I worked were a step above 'penises at the urinal'. I felt unsafe as a member having to clean in there. 90 percent of the time the single cubicle was out of order because someone has blocked it, the other 10 percent there is piss all over it and the floor, door and once or twice, ceiling, and don't even get me started on the shit. Gone in to clean several times, 30 mins after having last been in, to find someone has shat in a urinal. I'm sorry but I think anyone, male female adult child or dog, should avoid going into a McDonald's male toilet, it's like a magnet for the scourge of society.

I would also question a parents ability to take appropriate safeguards if they think sending their children with a stranger to use the toilet is in anyway a sensible or good decision. I would also be extremely concerned by any adult who was keen to take a strange child to the toilet.

First of all, he doesn’t take the kids to the toilet “just to watch him go”. It’s a basic boldly function.

He is not disabled so would not use the disabled toilets.
Unisex aren’t all that common.
Plus, with both of these “solutions” the kids would all still be with him in the cubicle “just watching”

He would never use the women’s and would not be happy with a man deciding they were entitled to (our own daughter will be using them alone very soon).

So your only real solution must be he can’t take the kids out without my supervision.

Lots of places don’t have family toilets, lots of places don’t have unisex toilets, even if they do the cubicle is the same size if you also have an odd thing about cubicle size, being a parent is not a disability so he absolutely should not use a disabled facility

Disabled loos are disabled accessible, not disabled only.
That is a whole different thread though!

Who said adult males can or should access a female toilet unchallenged? Literally no one is advocating for this illogical extreme.

A lot of people are also forgetting that the OP FELT UNCOMFORTABLE.
As a woman in a single sex toilet she has more rights here than the father who came in. HER rights and feelings actually trump his.
As many people have pointed out in this thread he had the option to chaperone his children into a toilet he was entitled to use. At the end of the day the woman in this scenario is in the correct loo and he isn’t. Her feelings trump his. Why are her feelings up for debate here? Why is there so much handwringing to accommodate his?
His children would be accompanied BY HIM in the male loo.

People keep saying ‘but in this instance it’s ok’. But the point of safeguarding is that you cater for the instance when it isn’t ok. If the rule is a blanket ‘no men in womens loos’ then it helps protect women to a greater degree than going ‘no men in women’s loos. Oh apart from when John from Sunderland is taking Betsy and Lila to the bathroom. And when Greg from Kent is popping in to grab some loo roll. Oh yeah and when James from Glocs feels a bit nervous because there’s a gang of lairy looking blokes in the mens and would rather….’

These infinitely-nested quotes are making this thread nigh-on unreadable. Can't there be an auto-cutoff of only showing the two or three most recent, or something? That would be enough to show context without slapping everyone in the face with endlessly-scrolling grey.

Same. Which is why I wouldn’t do it.

Ah, so you trample all over the rights of people with disabilities, a lovely thing your teaching your children. They have a baby change because some parents have a disability.

Stop trolling me I never said “only poor parents need to urinate when they are out”. I urinate all the time when I am out with my girls.

They have a baby change because some parents have a disability.

It’s usually the only baby change.

Because OP is an adult and posters are saying her discomfort is trumped by the discomfort of CHILDREN in the male toilets.

Are you a man?

Oh, so you take your children in with you so they have to watch you go you mean?

And now It’s “harmful extremism” to suggest that men should not be in female toilets.