Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

Err no they don’t. There are plenty of places where they have a baby change in the disabled and not in the female or mens loos, because that is where there is space for a baby change.

This wouldn’t bother me in the slightest! Not even a tiny bit! They have to wee & Dad took them!

You then clearly stated needing to urinate when out with children wasn’t good parenting, would you like me to quote it for you?

No, I rarely see a baby change facility in women's loos. It is always in the disabled loo.
Because men go out with babies too, and also need to change them.

Because young boys won’t encounter an undressed female’s muff in a womens toilet because there are private cubicles. In a mens room, men have their dicks out at urinals and, yes, the risk of flashing and the trauma from that to girls is high.

Because OP is an adult and posters are saying her discomfort is trumped by the discomfort of CHILDREN in the male toilets

Too right it is. Since when did we put adults’ comfort over children’s?

Quite. Absolutely this. The double think is staggering.

Here you are Simon

Do adult man to drag their small daughters into the mens loos just so they can have a piss? Perhaps that happens, I wouldn’t consider that to be good parenting

I’m a man, I have a baby, I use the baby change in the mens toilets. It is very very rare I come across a mens toilet that doesn’t have a baby change, usually only bars and night clubs, where you aren’t going to find babies.

I also remember, several times when working at McDs, fathers DID ask me to accompany their daughters into the bathroom, we were told to refuse and if the disabled/baby change was occupied, tell them to use the ladies. That was policy.

And this.

They might if shes stood in the communal area washing her pants in the sink. If a Dad chooses to hold his child above the urinals they may see
a penis, if he doesn’t, they won’t. I take it you are also against any children going into a mens changing room at swimming etc?

A 4 and 6 year old are too young to go into a public loo alone and shouldn't have to go into a mens room where there will be open urinals. You were in a cubicle. He was looking after his kids. You are being unreasonable.

It is very very rare I come across a mens toilet that doesn’t have a baby change

You must go to very different places to me. It’s very rare here to find a baby change in the women’s loo, let alone the men’s. It’s usually in the disabled loo - and only there.

What about the rights of the two girls? Don’t their rights to a safe female only space to use a toilet trump her right to “feel comfortable”? And since when is always feeling comfortable a human right on the same level as the right to access the toilet reserved for your sex? You’ve neglected to mention the childrens rights in all of this.

Diacovereads
”How is it morally acceptable to any woman to sacrifice girls well-being because of this “no exceptions” mentality? It’s harmful extremism.”

Sorry you had me at harmful extremism 😂

Of course there may be rare exceptions where it may be traumatic for a child to use the men’s. But surely that’s not we’re talking about here? Or are you saying that in extreme situations - and only then- it’s ok for a man to accompany his young girls into the women’s toilets?

Otherwise- please can you explain who I would be sacrificing a 4 year old girl’s well being by expecting her to use the men’s in the company of her dad?

A d what about other children. My daughter would take herself to the loo by herself at 5/6, and often I would stand outside as I had a toddler in a pushchair and often there wasn't room for me to stand in there at the time. She would have been terrified to have seen a strange man in the loo. She had a thing about men, many children do. Do their freedom and safety not count?

At the end of the day, a child using the loos with their dad is at No risk whatsoever. A child can be swiftly moved in to the cubicles without looking at or seeing men's penises. That's the hysteria, why little girls cannot do this? That's what my husband did with our girls when they were young. He took them into the male changing at swimming pools too, if family was not available.

If their dad is there it isn’t a female only space.

So in this scenario this father can’t pop his head into the men’s loo, check that the urinals aren’t busy then usher his children to a cubicle?
What’s so hard about that?

Thank you!! Some reason here at last.
first option-
disabled / baby change , second option - women’s loos.

Whilst it wouldn't bother me he shouldn't have done it.

DH takes DD to the men's. She's seen DHs penis and her brothers penis, I can't see the issue with it really.

Let’s flip this.
You’re a mum of two daughters, you send them off to McDonalds for lunch with their dad. They need the loo, so Dad takes two little girls into the men’s loos with open urinals and dicks out. The men in there probably think “bit weird” but give it a shake, (hopefully) wash hands and leave. Dad brings the girls home, they tell you they went in the “boy’s toilets”. You are livid. Why didn’t he take them in the ladies with the closed cubicles where they won’t see anything they ought not.
You post to MumsNet…

Yep. Here too.

I have never seen a half naked woman with her muff on display using the sink in a womens public toilet. Not even at raves with most of the clubbers high or drunk as fuck…places no child would ever be. Certainly not in McDonald's or any other restaurant. You’re really reaching with the hypotheticals there.

Except Emmelina, I wouldn't have been annoyed at all, that's what I would have expected him to do, and indeed that is what he did do!