Permanent exclusion-how do I find a new school that will take an excluded child?

[Alwaystoblame]

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How do I go about finding my Dd a new school if she's been permanently excluded? How likely are good schools to take her on in year 10 with an appalling attendance and behaviour record? She's very bright and doing very well academically when are bothers to go to class and do the homework. Attendance in in the 60s for this year. Even when she dies go in she is late and/or truants classes.
I have 2 previous threads about the issues she's having but I wanted to ask specifically about new schools without getting detailed.

Is its your daughter who lives with Dad? Managed moves normally comes before permanent exclusion. She will be found a place either at a school or a pru under fair access. She is over half way through her GCSE and it will be difficult for anyone to cram in 2 years of work into 1.

Highly likely a pru but they are not all doom and gloom. The problem you have is her dads attitude shows her she’s right and can do what she wants when she’s wrong and she can’t and his useless.

I've read your other threads. I think it's out of your hands now. You should get a letter from the LA explaining what happens next. What won't happen is that her or her Dad get to choose her next educational establishment.

It sounds as though a standard school set up won't be a good fit for her though? She's obviously not committed to being part of a school and sees it as take it or leave it. She perhaps needs something where she's got to get on with it under her own motivation? You might be looking for a basic 'academic' focus when that's what she's pushing back against.

If she’s smart but has behavioural issues and doesn’t like going into school then is there a way she could just do her work from home? Like a home schooling arrangement? There must be a reason she doesn’t want to be in school!

I think people need to read the OPs other threads to get a clearer picture.

Until your daughter owns up the the vile bullying and disgusting messages she has sent then nothing will change.

Her father needs to wake up to reality too.

I was going to say this.

Going to a PRU gave my colleague's lad the kick up the arse he needed to sort himself out.

In his words, "I didn't want to end up like those losers", he put some effort in and got 4 GCSEs. That enabled him to get into college, start an A-level and resit 4 GCSEs (which he passed), the following year, he started another 2 A-levels. It meant he took 3 years to get A-levels rather than 2, but he's in his final year at a half-decent uni now, and on course to get a 2:1.

I haven't read your other threads so I think it will depend on her reason for exclusion and whether she is actually prepared to knucle down and get her exams.

A new start would probably be best for her - if you cannot find a good GCSE match would she be open to restarting yr10 in September if that is an option? Gives her some time to sort herself out maybe through a PRU this term?

Good Luck- I have a feeling you will need it!

Possibly but unless we are privvy to @Alwaystoblame previous posts/history we can on advise on the information given 🙄

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You cannot just decide to do year 10 again. It doesn't work like that in England.

Has the perminant exclusion been agreed by governors? If not, try and get her elsewhere ASAP, before the perminant exclusion goes on her file.

The process depends on the LA.
They now have a legal requirement to put a process in place. Not all LAs have PRU places. Some have AP, AP in college, some offer tutors etc

With 60% attendance and excluded then she wont just able to choose another school and move. Contact her current school and ask them what happens next.

That isnt how it works. You cant bypass the system. Plus she has 60% attendance and so would trigger a managed move process (the way this work varies from LA to LA)

Yes here’s a thumbs up for PRUs if there’s 2 in your area 1 is likely to be more academic. Approach them. Don’t waste time on ms.

do you think she will be doing the same thing in the new school?

I might be totally wrong but have you considered getting an assessment done on her?

I hope it all works out and just wanted to wish you all the best.

A parent cant request a PRU place directly or contact them. The commissioner has too. The process varies but there may be a panel. (typically meet 2 weekly or monthly)

PRU or online learning - there is a dedicated online school for kids with behavioural issues.
very well supported.
she’s not getting into another ‘normal’
school and you need to get that message through to her. It’s takes massive time and energy and resources to deal with kids like this which detracts from everyone else’s learning so no school will willingly take her. Not do they have to.

She has the right to a place the HT has said so a school will have to take her. Goodness knows which one though. Online learning isn't a good idea for Dd. She needs a teacher present to keep her engaged. Left to her own devices she'll be gaming instead of in online lessons. She's not supervised at her dad's and no one would be there to make sure she's working when she should be because he's either at work or asleep.
I'm tempted to leave her dad to it and let him come to the realisation that there is no way out of this situation. He can't charm anyone because her record speaks for itself as much as he denies the problems.

A PRU will take her.

@PupInAPram I was offered to go back a year to restart y10 when I moved from a different countries rather than starting y11. I chose to sit Y10 and Y11 at the same time but it was an option not that long ago in England. They also took excluded students who often restarted years.

@Alwaystoblame you made a mistake posting in Aibu for traffic You've got a lot of inexpert and reactionary responses, and only one correct one so far - from PanelChair. I suggest you start a new thread on the Secondary Education forum to ask advice of admissions experts regarding the Fair Access Protocol. But go and read up about it first. All schools have to take their fair share of challenging students, so if your daughter is turned away from every school, the Local Authority will broker an offer using the FAC.

PRUs are for children deemed unsuitable for mainstream education, so they are a last resort.

*FAP not FAC

I'm not sure that you chasing around trying to find alternative provision off your own bat will get the outcome you're hoping for. As previous posters have outlined, there are procedures in place when children are excluded from school- this isn't something you can single-handedly solve for your daughter.

Tough as it is (and it sounds utterly soul-destroying, on top of all of your other responsibilities), your husband and daughter have both chosen for him to be the resident parent at this time. It looks like it's time for the two of them to figure out the next steps by dealing with the relevant authorities themselves. Your daughter clearly has very challenging needs, and you have done all you can to support her (along with the school, by the sounds of things). But at the moment, that isn't working for any of you. It's unrealistic to expect anything to change when everyone continues to behave in the same way.

You say that your daughter and Ex expect that she'll be able to pick and choose their favourite from a range of schooling options. It also sounds like they expect you to do the donkey work in terms of sorting all of that out for them. But if you're the only parent in all the meetings , they're going to blame you when you can't conjure up the impossible. That's likely to mean another step down the road of neither of them facing the consequences of their actions (Ex for his abusive behaviour and poor parenting, and DD for her behaviour choices), and a further delay in DD making choices which will help her turn things around.

You can still be there when your daughter needs you, and deep down she seems to understand that your love is unconditional. But to make a change, and for the sake of your health and the other vulnerable people who rely on you, it looks like you need to let your Ex have the responsibilities he demanded.

I thought it was often an independent PRU in this instance - some kind of key stage 4 bridge project.