Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

What did you think of the evidence suggesting that JDs finger was not cut off by a glass bottle and the fact he was caught out admitting there was a phone in the bar area of the house? Do you think that just means AH cut his finger off a different way- hence the apologies and hysterical crying or he did cut it off himself?

AH originally told her hairdresser (?) that JD cut his finger on a bottle.

I found his redirect on the Australia events convincing tbh. I watched the Behaviour Panel video on his previous testimony and looked for signs that he wasn't being truthful in this one. He had the demeanour of someone who knew what had happened and was confident in that. The only times he got riled was when he felt the other lawyer was trying to misrepresent something or catch him out.

The only thing he didn't truly believe is that he hadn't been abusive to AH. He said "absolutely not" or something like that and looked to to his right. But then qualified it with physical or sexual abuse. I think he realises that he was verbally or emotionally abusive, but that's not what the trial is about. AH is claiming he battered and raped her.

Oh, I can't remember now. Will have to go back and have a look.

The rules of evidence are completely mind boggling. Just when I think I've understood, they throw something else in!

Because if the names are automatically available, the jurors will be approached and encouraged to publicly talk about the trial. This way, it's up to the jurors themselves to contact the media.

It may be standard practice, I don't know.

AH didn't hand her phone in, did she?

Today is:

One more witness for JD's rebuttal - believed to be a member of the cabin crew on the private plane, not sure which flight

Then AH's rebuttal witnesses for her counter claim - presumably people who will reaffirm her expected, and now lost, future earnings and/or responding to the social media posts re her defamation claim.

Seeing as they only have 1hr 16m left, the direct isn't going to last very long. Though JD's team has hours to spend on the cross and it could last the rest of the day.

Then they may be agreeing jury instructions with the judge after the jury has been dismissed.

Friday is:

Closing arguments from both sides. And jury instructions before they retire to deliberate. This is the most important bit of the trial as it tells the jury what questions they need to ask themselves when coming to a verdict.

Then we can all ask ourselves the same questions. Because while it's enough in the court of public opinion to say I believe xyz because..., it's not enough for an actual court. When we know what the jury has to be satisfied with and what the legal threshold is, we can start to speculate on their verdicts.

Thanks very much bonnesvacances

Possibly a very stupid question, when do we get the verdict?

I think AH will also be taking the witness stand today as part of her counterclaim, along with her rebuttal witnesses.

I do hope so.

I don't know.

AH team only have 1hr, whereas JD team have 7 hrs left. I think it would be too risky to allow JD team all that time to cross examine AH.....again.

" JD now claims it was her who insisted on being there, she says it was the other way round. His texts/ emails afterwards tell a very different story to the one he's telling now."

Oh aye, more he said/she said. Who'd be a juror!

"I think he realises that he was verbally or emotionally abusive"

Tbf it strikes me that they both were. As I've said before, leaving any alleged physical or sexual abuse aside, this was a clearly a very dysfunctional relationship.

I’m not sure if there may be some psychology in play here with her taking the stand (if she does). But if they do it right at then end she will be the last person the Jury hear before closing statements. If her team believe in her and she fully believes in what she is saying then it kind of makes sense. It is risky though with JD having time on their side.

I don’t think they’ll put AH back on the stand - it’s far too risky. With the TMZ and photos testimony fresh in everyone’s mind from yesterday - you do not want JDs team being able to put all that to her potentially for hours as being the last things the jury hears from her.

As the trial has enters its final days they have both begun to show the strain - we saw it yesterday - Depp being snarky with her lawyers while on the stand (although I’m sure it’s tempting it’s could be viewed by the jurors as not taking proceedings seriously etc), and Amber seemingly giving up trying to mask her emotions and openly laughing sniggering and smirking while Depp was speaking. Neither of them performed well yesterday.

I just think it would he too huge a risk at this point. Her case took a lot of damage yesterday - why compound that by putting her back on the stand and risking it being damaged further by her own attitude/answers?

*So I think if they want to show Deuters text messages, he needs to testify. And he hasn't.

AH team are trying many ways to get Deuters messages shown, but the judge is not allowing it.*

I wish they would get him on the stand too. A lot of this would be cleared up I think. However, the fact that neither team have called him makes me think he has lots of dirt on both sides and it would be bad for both of them. It's particularly interesting that JD hasn't called him if he's not got anything to hide. Why can't they make him testify like they have with others?

I’ve checked the Deuters testimony, Amber was told she wasn’t allowed to discuss the text messages at all. Can’t link as on voice type it’s on wusa9 day 2 amber testimony at 25 mins. The only text I remember Amber providing was Rocky which could have come from Rocky phone. If amber hasn’t got the texts and Deuters was asked for his, but refused as third party then there is only screen grabs unless there is a way of proving the data from the provider.

I'm not sure they can make him testify.

What they can do is play his deposition, like they have done for other witnesses who cant/won't testify "live".
But as you say, both sides haven't called him as a witness or shown his deposition.
It could be that it's bad for JD and AH, so neither want to show it.

Or maybe the judge ruled, for whatever reason, that Deuters testimony is invalid.

It doesn't go down well with me that JD is talking about the abuse he had as a result of this. I am sure he's been through a hard time, I am sure it's hard having his kids and family hear all this. However, he prompted this. Plus his level of abuse has no comparison to AHs.

Funny how his texts are meant to have been not from him, someone has borrowed his phone. According to him. But he is quick to say AHs photos aren't real. One rule for him, one for her.

Did you see the article I posted about Deuters in the first trial? He got caught out lying from memory. And their texts were grim. I don't think JD team want him. His wife was meant to testify but then AH friend alerted the judge to her following the case on social media and she was kicked off. Then the friend was kicked off for using her phone in court.

I think, maybe, we can all agree that Deuters messages, behaviour, evidence is all a bit of a shit show. 😁

I’d personally be cautious about making any assumptions about what abuse he may have received over the 6 years she has been speaking publicly about him and making public accusations.

we have no idea if he has been receiving hate mail, threats etc.

So checked the video yesterday after the reports on Twitter the video does show that the Molly texts are incoming. How can that be allowed from the lawyers. Or is there another explanation

Maybe it’s Stephen phone but still not sure how that works if he can’t testify. Need to finish bed rest too much time to spare

WTF? He did not even write them?

Depp surrendered his phone and so his texts are in evidence. Amber did not and so none of her texts are in evidence unless someone else provided them (for example Josh Drew had some). Amber stated she no longer owned any of the phones that she had owned during the marriage - hence no texts or original picture files.

I think drawing the conclusion that Amber has never texted anything equally is nasty is an impossible conclusion to draw without seeing her texts. Obviously her team picked out the worst of this texts to amke their point. We don't know what the worst of Amber's texts would have been.

I don't think it is clear what incoming means - we would need to see phone numbers. It is possible Johnny had multiple phones. Johnny's lawyers can see the unredacted versions of these and so I am sure they didn't just 'miss' a detail.

They have one rebuttal witness left today (Lydia the flight attendant) and then unless someone else popped up, that will end their case. Ambers team can call rebuttal witnesses but they will have to be very careful as they only have just over an hour of time left and Johnnuy's team has 7. This would mean they don't have much time for the direct and redirect but Johnny's team has lots of time for the cross. It is very limited as to what can be asked in rebuttal so they likely won't be very long. I am guessing - maybe the entertainment expert, the social media expert....I doubt they would put Amber back on. A short direct with hours for cross would not be a good look as a way to end your rebuttal case!

Closing is going to be good. Ben Chew did a bit of a rehearsal during Amber's motion to dismiss and he was fiery!