Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

Honestly Miscfeminsta you are getting more and more aggressive and attacking. Are you related to Elaine?

What a confusing comment. You are aware I reply to whoever makes a point relating to what I want to comment on? I don’t even track which user says what most of the time. I have in no way been”aggressive”aside from replying in cynical manner to few posters who went straight to personally insulting me instead of talking about whatever I said

People can make observations, people can have opinions, people can disagree with you.

That is I think obvious on this thread. I am clearly in minority here and unlike some, do not repeat same baseless arguments(whatever I might repeat is because it came up again or in different context. I don’t troll in a la”Amber is a liar. Amber is a liar. Amber is a liar”way)

You clearly have a gender bias about this case, you clearly want to scream mysoginistic and mysogony out over and over and over again.

I have no idea what would gender bias be since I am for abolishing gender, it’s N/A but yes this case screams misogyny.

We get it, you adore, love, support, believe AH.

This isn’t really(only)about AH neither am I a fan of anyone(generally)for that matter

But can you please stop practically berating everyone who dares to make an observation not in fitting with your "feminist viewpoint", it's tiresome at best.

I see this fitting with my 1st point. I don’t know if you got an impression that I was particularly onto you because I replied to whatever you said few times or simple fact you don’t like what I say.

I hardly make majority of posts on these threads or jump on everyone I disagree with. I guess calling women cunts is a-ok but calling out misogyny is rude or tiresome

I would categorise your comment as some low key”ugh go away you are boring”which is a bit below me but well there you go, I gave you something to read anyway

I think misc is trying to be fair

However I'm a survivor and I've done terrible things. I've smashed up the house through sheer frustration from a gaslighting sneering bastard of years, and of course he smirked after the event and I was the abusive one.

You see? I know JD isn't innocent but she's playing the part of my ex. He punched my head, kicked me etc etc but it was all my fault because, like JD, I called him out

Tiddy I never implied I’m comparing you to JD. I don’t think women reacting to male violence as you did equals women being abusers themselves but if I say that obviously I’ll be”a misandrist”so I will rather say nothing

Also her bruises are a fucking joke. I have pictures of bruises on me the next day and I was black and blue. I certainly wasn't fit to go on James cordon show the next day either physically or mentally

Misc no hate here. Respect your opinion. We must be able to talk and thrash it out. It's so complex

Anyone watch DUI guy in YouTube?

I follow him on Twitter

He does live analysis every night after court.

@bluebell34567 @Boulshired thank you I had no idea until earlier up this thread

It really hadn't dawned on me til watching the live court stuff yesterday and today.

Amber = my mother.

The lies, the believing her own lies whole heartedly. The refusal to let anyone walk from an argument, the following them, escalating, throwing shit, the dramatics and overexaggeration of any perceived injury, the bullying of people she has power over to back her up...

Its my fucking mother.

I honestly wasn't team Depp... until now, I am now.

I don’t know who posted this some threads ago but my insomnia asked me to watch it now. Imagine that, forensic psychs who think dr Curry was off the mark and basically agreeing with dr Hughes

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxv1AP1VXqk&feature=youtu.be

AH legal team really are the worst thing I've ever seen. They have people on social media and would have known what the response was to her smirking, twitter was going crazy, so why didn't they tell her to tone it down?

As for the evidence about TMZ and the expert on the photos. I don't think anyone is surprised. The Sun really need to issue an apology and admit she fooled them along with everyone else.

You're all ghouls. If I was a victim of domestic abuse I would be distraught reading your comments.

Miscfeminista has had it clear that she does not believe that men can ever be vicimts. That as men have more power in society, they are always the abuser.

Her conclusions were drawn before ever reading or seeing anything about the case and the evidence is insignficant and irrelevant as her philosophical perspective is that Amber can only be the victim and Johnny can only be the abuser.

I asked her in another comment if it was her son being abused by his wife, could she see him as a victim and she said no - that even if he was being beat over the heat and demeaned - woudln't matter what - he would still have the power and have done something to deserve it and it would be his wife needing protection.

So when someone's opinion and viewpoint is determined entirely by their biases without any openness for change, it is just a ciruclar argument as no matter what you point out - you always come back to only Amber can be the victim and only Johnny can be the abuser and all evidence supports that as it is the only possible truth.

They are working with what they have and what they have been told. Amber seems to have only either a flat look or to be very expressive. She wears her every emotion on her face and is very dramatic in her facial expressions. I don't know if she knows how to tone it done. Her other option is trying to have no expression.

I think there are some people that even when they're pushed to their limits, would never send text messages like the ones JD sent. And for that reason, it's incomprehensible to them that he was just blowing off steam. The text exchange with Paul Bettany reads like a pair of schoolboys egging each other on to say the most outrageous joke - I think they compared it to a Monty Python sketch they'd seen. But again, if you don't have that kind of dark or dry humour, it just won't seem funny. I've seen lots of people really shocked by it.

I have friends who have gone through rough break ups. Not even abuse. But with children involved, where the ex is being an utter bastard and caused real heartache. And I can honestly say that there have been equally horrific text exchanges about the ex. Including sexual references. I can think of a couple of rants from woman which were particularly insulting and sexual. And lots of "we'll hit him over the head with a fucking spade, and then bury the cunt on the patio - nah, let's chop him up and sling him in the lake, don't want the limp-dicked prick returning as a fucking zombie" blah blah. These aren't close friends of mine, or else no doubt I'd have heard far worse. I just don't think we can pretend that these kind of violent rants or sexual insults are restricted to men. Lots of people of both sexes do it. And I don't actually think there's much wrong with it, tbh.

The only thing I did wince at a bit was JD's reference to a "lovely little Russian" or words to that effect. Weirdly, I thought that phrase was way worse than anything else. I think that's his privilege/stardom shining through there and it did reek a bit of misogyny. But again, he's in his 50s and he grew up as a mega star through different times. Not sure I'm going to judge him too harshly, if I'm honest. Listening to the audio tapes he endured awful provocation from AH, and didn't respond in kind. He seems to be desperate to just end the confrontations.

I really and truly can't understand how anyone can still be supporting AH. But the fact that some people are makes me think JD won't win the case. And then we'll be subjected to AH's insufferable claims about being the winning and proven right - which of course isn't what it means at all.

Also, I missed a few bits here and there of the trial, but I can't see that much has been said about his ADHD. I find it astonishing. And pretty bloody awful actually.

ADHD has such a huge and profound effect on how an individual functions - including their ability to recall things and respond quickly. Also, drugs often don't work in the same way as ADHD brain chemistry is different. For example, the treatment that calms ADHD is actually a stimulant and would have the opposite effect in non-ADHD people.

I find it appalling that it's not been referenced more heavily. There were a couple of key moments that the ADHD should have been brought up - for both his drug taking and the assessment that strange doctor guy (Dr Spiegelman???) did without actually ever meeting him.

As someone from Liverpool I wouldn’t expect anything from The Sun. The problem is all that is shown is amber isn’t credible and capable of lying. There will still be those who will believe her, unless she comes out and says it’s a hoax. Some even then will come out with a conspiracy that Depp forced her to do that. The seeds are already in place incase Amber loses, incompetent lawyers, not being allowed to show her evidence, people wanting 15 mins of fame etc. unless one of the penthouse witnesses breaks and admits a hoax then team heard will still be vocal.

You mean the Molly texts? He was talking about drugs.

And the other- let’s go through all the texts you’ve ever written and cherry pick out the ones that make you look like a bad person. Based on what we’d learned in court she abused him emontionally, physically and financially. I’d be furious as well and I’m. Swearer when I’m angry.

And I really dislike how you’ve positioned yourself as the only feminist voice here. Feminism is not only believing women over men. Feminism is promoting the interests and rights of women over men. What AH has done is actively undermining all the good will and change created by Me Too. She’s taken a movement about empowering women and used it for her own personal gain. That is the least feminist thing I’ve ever heard. And she used a surrogate. She’s not a feminist, despite what she writes in Op Eds.

Oh blimey this threads got a bit personal overnight.

And I really dislike people using feminism to defend liars and abusers.

In regards to the texts, what do you think of the theory on Twitter that Amber sent those texts on his phone? She has history of setting him up to look bad.

The text says " I need. I want. I take " and there's also an old picture doing the rounds on Twitter or her holding a sign she's written that includes the same thing?

Maybe he genuinely doesn't remember writing them because he didn't? Or he is lying and did write them but I think accusing Rottenborn of doctoring the texts was a bad move

Why has she done this?

@vegang He's pretty much owned everything that he's done, he hasn't tried to shy away from bad things he's said. I believe if he'd written the texts he would have admitted it - like he did with the fish one.

I can only imagine what it's like being on the witness stand and suddenly being ambushed with texts that you apparently sent, that you know you've never seen before. His testimony even before the texts appeared was compelling for me - he said something along the lines of "I don't care what evidence you have there, I know I've never said anything like that" and he seemed very very certain. I believe him.

Also, I'm not even a JD fan especially. I have no reason to be on "his side". But he's very credible imo.