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Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 21:48

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

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ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:33

TiddyTidTwo · 27/05/2022 20:28

EN
Johnny has a very dry sense of humour. Very dry.
His smirking is absolutely not the same as AH. The only thing dry about her are her tears

I think we can just disagree on that. We probably have different interpretations of dry.

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ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:33

Shehasntagedatall · 27/05/2022 20:32

Reports of police officers on motorbikes rushing into the court room 😳what

Wtf??

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Shehasntagedatall · 27/05/2022 20:35

Guy just reported it on the Law & crime channel covering it on YouTube

StormzyinaTCup · 27/05/2022 20:35

ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:33

Wtf??

WTF - where is this coming from?

vegang · 27/05/2022 20:35

It's unrelated to this trial apparently

foxlover47 · 27/05/2022 20:36

He just said it's nothing to do with their case so something unrelated

Shehasntagedatall · 27/05/2022 20:37

Oh, god how weird, I wouldn’t have been surprised if it was some crazed JD fans 🙈

StormzyinaTCup · 27/05/2022 20:38

Midlifemusings · 27/05/2022 20:32

What was happening when you left? The case is now with the jury.

@Midlifemusings they had broken for lunch.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 27/05/2022 20:39

AH team want them to decide that verbal and emotional is included in domestic violence.

Whereas JD team have said AH specifically said domestic violence, such as hitting, beating, kicking etc is what should be determined as domestic violence.

I was hoping they would make it clearer, but in this case they want the jury to decide.

I find that unfair and completely out of step with what I've seen of UK legal practice. The jury are lay people, not qualified lawyers. This should have been laid out clearly in the Judge's instructions in accordance with Virginia Law (I missed these, and apparently they were lengthy so it's possible she did. I'd also have thought these would come after the summing up).

ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:40

You know Bridesmaids where the new best friend does a speech? And then the old one does one? And then the new one does another one? And then the old one jumps in?
This is what this is like

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TiddyTidTwo · 27/05/2022 20:41

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Probably. I get my dry humour from my dad. There is probably not a lot that would offend me and I can and do talk like JD to be honest and those that know me, know. They can't tell I don't really mean it and by text know me as a person

If anyone turned against me used my words id shrug it off. Tough shit. That's me. She married him knowing this and turning it to her advantage now is easy and frankly, weak.

You could look at my texts and think what a horrible cunt. Those that know me know that's my incredibly dry humour. Those than don't know me would think I'm completely offensive. Only those close to me who I trust see my humour. She absolutely has played it to her advantage and completely forget her sneering, taunting taking the piss and undermining voice recordings at the same time

TiddyTidTwo · 27/05/2022 20:43

*can tell

ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:44

@TiddyTidTwo that's fair. We all are different,
I don't envy these jurors at all.

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minou123 · 27/05/2022 20:45

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 27/05/2022 20:39

AH team want them to decide that verbal and emotional is included in domestic violence.

Whereas JD team have said AH specifically said domestic violence, such as hitting, beating, kicking etc is what should be determined as domestic violence.

I was hoping they would make it clearer, but in this case they want the jury to decide.

I find that unfair and completely out of step with what I've seen of UK legal practice. The jury are lay people, not qualified lawyers. This should have been laid out clearly in the Judge's instructions in accordance with Virginia Law (I missed these, and apparently they were lengthy so it's possible she did. I'd also have thought these would come after the summing up).

I agree and is a bit of a problem for me.

I really have tried not to be on a "side". But one of the points I was hoping would help me is "What is the legal definition of domestic violence" in the state they are in.

I was hoping for a direction on this.

I don't think they are in the jury instructions, biut will go back and check.

TiddyTidTwo · 27/05/2022 20:45

I don't either! I think in their hearts they know but legally it's far harder.

JD has finally given his side. That's all he wanted I think

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 27/05/2022 20:46

The only thing I think has been proved here is how rotten the system is. It's a rich person's playground where the best legal team will likely win, and the twisting in the interpretation of the evidence by both sides at the end seems to me totally immoral. I was stunned that this was allowed.

My own feeling is that he's economical with the truth but she's a pathological liar. I'm still reasonably convinced that he is abusive. As for her, lying and screwing with people's heads is also a form of abuse so this in itself places her firmly within that category.

It doesn't matter a toss what I think, of course, but if I were a juror I'd put aside these personal inclinations. What matters is what the evidence shows. Because she stood up and made hideous accusations against him, her team needed to provide some compelling evidence as to their truth. Granted I didn't watch every single witness but I don't believe I saw it. As for her counter claim, it's undeniable that there has been an orchestrated and particularly horrible media campaign against her, but it will be the devil to prove that Depp was responsible for that. Society hates women and Heard won't be the first or last to experience this (cd. Meghan Markle).

So they're left with mostly her word, and a few bits of circumstantial evidence, but that evidence overall is weak. His team know their job, are good at it, and have shot her credibility completely to shreds. She was convincing in the stand, but pathological liars very often are.

It sticks hugely in the craw, but were I on that Jury, I'd be inclined to find for Depp. I don't think Heard has a hope in hell of winning this case; her counterclaim, even less so (I've changed in that position, as I did think she might have a chance of proving that).

I would not be her right now for anyone's money. The media are going to a vicious number on her regardless of the outcome, but if she loses she'll be destroyed. I hope she doesn't come to harm.

Either way, Depp is certain to be okay.

IrisVersicolor · 27/05/2022 20:47

ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:33

I think we can just disagree on that. We probably have different interpretations of dry.

His smirking was awful and very poorly judged.

ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:48

Omg I would be gutted to have sat through all of that and then been told I could leave! I don't envy the remaining ones but honestly you'd be so fed up.

She says it will be 60 minutes later for the verdict after getting it. But also said it it was 11.20 it would be 12 which is only 40 minutes.

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vegang · 27/05/2022 20:49

Can someone explains the alpacas?

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 27/05/2022 20:49

ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:48

Omg I would be gutted to have sat through all of that and then been told I could leave! I don't envy the remaining ones but honestly you'd be so fed up.

She says it will be 60 minutes later for the verdict after getting it. But also said it it was 11.20 it would be 12 which is only 40 minutes.

You would? I'd be doing somersaults. I don't envy them this task in the least.

ENoeuf · 27/05/2022 20:49

JD said he wouldn't work for Disney for 100milkion and x alpacas I think?

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TiddyTidTwo · 27/05/2022 20:52

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I find that unfair and completely out of step with what I've seen of UK legal practice. The jury are lay people, not qualified lawyers"

In real life, what makes qualifies lawyers using law technicalities better than a lay person who experiences real life?

The UK verdict decided by a judge was based on perjury, not all evidence allowed and judge with "connections"

That why JD has persued this. He has enough hundreds of millions to retire but he absolutely will not accept her lies. And she has lied. He has children. I wouldn't want my children to think this and seeing as both his children have experienced abuse through what AH said, that would piss me off more than anything.

TiddyTidTwo · 27/05/2022 20:55

"The only thing I think has been proved here is how rotten the system is. It's a rich person's playground where the best legal team will likely win, and the twisting in the interpretation of the evidence by both sides at the end seems to me totally immoral. I was stunned that this was allowed"

So...as AH is absolutely resolute that everyone else is lying except her, why doesn't or hasn't she brought criminal charges against JD?

Boulshired · 27/05/2022 20:56

I do think if slamming the kitchen cupboards is the requirement for the domestic abuse case to be won then sexual violence should have been outside the perimeter of the case. Taking someone to court with them able to accuse you of sicker heinous crimes which require no element of proof is in the realms of being able to blackmail.

TiddyTidTwo · 27/05/2022 20:56

Instead of writing a shit piece on the papers for her own gain.

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