Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

Amber smirked so much today! Her poker face seemed entirely used up.

Misc. love you but wtf you on about?

BULLSHIT. The misogyny is coming from insight the haus.

You don't speak for all victims. This is the utter misogyny we deal with. When a woman isn't crying or looking defenseless she must be lying!

I didn't show the default "woman" reaction in court with my abusive ex and I was told I was a bitch. I should have cried.

It feels really strange tonight, even though I already knew the photographs weren’t verified, then add on TMZ and for me the charity donations are a big thing. I’m left with a person with no credibility. That doesn’t mean she lying, but when you cover the truth with lies and exaggeration the truth is lost. I want her to be right because the damage otherwise is huge but if Depp had done any of the above I would be dragging him.

www.yourtango.com/news/was-amber-heard-arrested-vehicular-manslaughter?amp

Found this on the juvenile arrest

Bouls she's lied

I know she lied, I was already of that opinion in the uk trial, I just didn’t want it to be true to the extent it is. The aftermath whatever the trial outcome is not good. I feel sick because this impacts so many no matter the outcome of the jury.

I would like to say how much I respect @TiddyTidTwo and @Midlifemusings this eve. You are very much on my wavelength xx

It does bouls and it affects women. She doesn't care about us. Smirking twat today. She disgusts me.

For some people there seems to be moral distress in accepting that women lie and lie about big things. Maybe there is some solidarity - kind of the thin blue line thing where you protect your own no matter what. Most people don't have that same moral distress about accepting that men lie about big things.

I also think there is moral distress about not #BelievingAllWomen. There has been so much focus the last few years on this that people feel wrong or dirty or sexist to not believe a woman.

You add to that everyone's own personal and professional life experiecing and views are shaped and skewed by that.

It is hard to go against what you want to believe or have been taught to believe or feel societal pressure to believe.

The same is true for the jury though - they are just representative of the population, although this one seems a little skewed towards Asian males. Even in the face of fact and evidence, people's personal feelings will sometimes be stronger if it is something they feel very convicted about. We see this on these threads - in the midst of all the noise on opinion related issues, people refute actual facts and evidence. It is human nature.

I think it's panic stations in AH's team tonight.

Metadata grandad and Dr Shaw have been my favourite witnesses. I found them factual and impartial and intelligent.

Metadata grandad is a thing 😂

@ObjectionHearsay I agree , metadata grandad was brilliant , calm, factual wouldn't be belittled or bullied
Kate moss too , matter of fact , polite , collected

I'm not saying that those texts are not misogynistic, however, the texts are not directed to her they are texts sent to a third party about her. She on the other hand has stood up in front of the world and accused him of some awful abuse is on audio saying some awful things to him, has admitted to being violent , sliced off the top of his finger and has perjured herself more than once in the process.

Misogynistic texts are not even in the same ball park.

Right now, unless she pulls a chuffing great rabbit out of a hat tomorrow then I feel what she has done is not only a huge disservice to all victims of abuse but it actually should be criminal.

I am finding it fascinating though how some are viewing the trial.

@TiddyTidTwo it really is now 🤣🙌🙌

You can tell that the metadata guy has a lot of experience testifying. He was one of the few that didn't get rattled in cross and he knows how to sneak in a few extra points before the objection can be heard! He stays calm and neutral and isn't buddy buddy with either set of lawyers and doesn't get cranky. Just keeps repeating his statements.

Those texts did not show JD in a good light but I'm weighing up what is worse; making horrific allegations against someone on the world stage, completely ruining their reputation and career, and subjecting them to physical and emotional abuse (as I think is becoming increasingly evident that AH did to JD), or, texting your mate some derogatory insults in anger about the person that has subjected you to that hell.

I'd say that if people were prepared to dismiss AHs behaviour on those recordings as reactive abuse, then they should also entertain the idea that JDs awful texts could also be a response to the abuse he has suffered, both during and after his relationship with AH.

If you call him the Original Metadata Grandad, he could be the OMG

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@For some people there seems to be moral distress in accepting that women lie and lie about big things. Maybe there is some solidarity - kind of the thin blue line thing where you protect your own no matter what. Most people don't have that same moral distress about accepting that men lie about big thing"

It absolutely is a thing and I've been on both sides. Therefore coming into this I think I'm pretty neutral. She's lying and I'm not one to protect men. Far from it 🤣 but she's lying. She makes me sick as she's shit on everything I've gone through. I won't protect her though for the sake of it. She's lying

I felt bad tonight watching and actually thinking ... AH is smirking .. questioned myself is she though but she was !
I been through family court , I didnt smirk even when my ex was caught out lying , why would she be like this knowing the world is watching ?
The slicing off of the cock is something I won't forget in a hurry ! I've said terrible things in texts to close friends about my ex before . I think we are all guilty of doing that sometimes

100% a thing, and when I tell my grandchildren that I watched the amber Heard Vs Johnny Depp trial in years to come, I will say "metadata grandad was a smart man" 🤣

Sizzler out of context of course they look bad.

I call my husband a cunt a lot, to his face and in text. He does the same back. Dry humour. JD is very very dry. I saw his texts and tbh if my Husband behaved the way AH did, you ca. guarantee I'd text my friends saying what a cunt he was. And I have

Personally I don't think Johnny is some really sweet guy all the time. I have no doubt he has said nasty things and likely with his guy friends - doesn't always talk positively about women. He is a rocker, grunge, 80s-90s view on life, hangs out with Manson and likes to be edgy in a way. He can be entitled and the life he lives is one of excess. He has some deep seated pain and trauma and anger from childhood that is still there. I am sure he can get jealous and insecure at times. He has had a rollercoaster of drug and alcohol problems.

None of that makes me think he is the person Amber is accusing him of being.

One thing I noted in that tirade of anger e-mail. Yes he called AH a mackerel and jizz bucket, but I noted threat of physical violence or harm and even sexual harm was directed at a male, Elon musk. I thought that was rather telling, even in a outburst of private rage he directed the physical violence at a male.