Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

I would love to know what she's thinking though when they show the long shots of her in thoughtful mode.

I do not think she likes AHs lawyers.
I think she wants Elaine to switch on her bloody microphone!

I do not think she believes AH.

Fantasy land I know but it is what I think!

Johnny Depp cannot talk directly as he is restricted with a non disclosure agreement which can only be overridden in court. The leaks whilst readable available online, mainstream have and still are reluctant to cover them. Kate moss was reported on more than neumeister in mainstream media.

Yet in the tapes, he is the one trying to get her to not go public, and to settle the separation and divorce privately and keep it out of the public eye . She is the one that decided since he wouldn't give her what she wanted in her demand letter, she would file a TRO to get back at him. That was really the start of the public smear campaign. When did he start fighting back against it? Not for a long time. He put up with at least a couple years of her smear campaign before taking action. And yes when he got the snowball rolling eventually - it was bigger than her snowball. SHe probably thought she had all the MeToo and TimesUP people to back her and that she would have those movements behind her in going against him and then those people didn't publicly support her and some publicly expressed feeling she had used them and the movement. I don't think she ever thought she would be fighting this battle alone. I am sure she thought that after ove two years of building up her #BelieveAllWomen and ACLU army, that they would be loud and would barrel over Johnny and his fans. She jumped on that at the time of Weinsteen and Cosby and it was a big movement at the time, it probably seemed like very solid public backing for her then. .

I don’t know if if crossed anyones radars but Depp has despised the media, paps et Al for many many years. He appears to have been an intensely private man up until 2016 when leaks began and intense media scrutiny. He does not appear to me a man who revels in media attention generally and he has mentioned multiple times how invasive he has found this process but that he feels it’s his only option to clear his name. It’s a conundrum. I don’t think he cares what strangers think as much as his family and peers. Spending all this money on something so public doesn’t seem like an easy decision to make for him it’s a bit baffling for someone in their 50’s so private until recently

I'm more siding with Johnny but I do think it's completely inappropriate for his fans to be booing AH as she enters court

Agreed. His fans have definitely been a problem and there is some online hate directed at her that I despise. The circus right outside the courthouse shouldn't be allowed.

I hope she gets the help she needs if this case goes against her, but I also honestly think she'd need to lie very low and maybe even leave the country. I fear for her safety otherwise. I hope she can afford good security.

The thing is, if she does have BPD (and I don’t know for sure, but as someone who has BPD and has been in recovery for nearly 10yrs I would say she certainly has many many traits from what I have seen of her) - all the therapy in the world will not help her one bit until SHE is ready to put in the work, reflect on herself and her life and make changes.

She doesn’t seem to be anywhere near that stage yet sadly.

It is one of the tragedies of the disorder - for the individual and the people around them - anybody CAN recover from BPD, but not everybody WILL.

It would have to come from her. She would have to reach a point where she recognises the damage her behaviours (which are simply her way of coping and responding to her triggers and emotions) are doing to herself and those around her. She would need to then be willing to engage in the years of skill learning and mastering it takes to learn and put into practice new ways of regulating and responding to her emotions, learning to recognise her triggers, and understand WHY they are even triggers, learn to separate past events with present day situations and only respond to the present not the past, learn to recognise and challenge negative automatic thoughts, learn to recognise and understand her schemas/filters, and when the might be activated and what effect that may have on her perception of what’s really happening and then challenge that.

Because that’s what it takes to be in recovery from BPD and you have to really really want to do it and you have to keep doing it everyday for the rest of your life.

And I don’t honestly think she’s anywhere near close to even the first stage of that.

I wouldn't know this so once I had uploaded it onto another device I would probably think there was no need to keep the original.

It's frustrating about the photos. So much of the evidence can't be completely valid.it's all here say all the time.it's make it hard.if AHs photos can't be validated I am not sure she can win.

Excluding the photos the only other evidence she has is a few people seeing bruises, one text that JDs assistant said he kicked her on the plane and the audio he says he head butted her. Yes these are abuse but no where nearer the attacks she is claiming.

I am back on the fence after thinking AH would win.

"one text that JDs assistant said he kicked her on the plane"

And there's claims that that's faked. Gawd, who to believe?

The headbutting was claimed by JD to be accidental while he was trying to restrain her when she was thrashing at him. Looking at photos of them together she looks to be a similar height or only slightly shorter, heels not withstanding, so I can believe that. I myself am a short arse 5' 1" to my DH's 5' 9", so I'd just end up bashing his chest. 😅

Yet in the tapes, he is the one trying to get her to not go public, and to settle the separation and divorce privately and keep it out of the public eye . She is the one that decided since he wouldn't give her what she wanted in her demand letter, she would file a TRO to get back at him. That was really the start of the public smear campaign. When did he start fighting back against it? Not for a long time. He put up with at least a couple years of her smear campaign before taking action. And yes when he got the snowball rolling eventually - it was bigger than her snowball. SHe probably thought she had all the MeToo and TimesUP people to back her and that she would have those movements behind her in going against him and then those people didn't publicly support her and some publicly expressed feeling she had used them and the movement. I don't think she ever thought she would be fighting this battle alone. I am sure she thought that after ove two years of building up her #BelieveAllWomen and ACLU army, that they would be loud and would barrel over Johnny and his fans. She jumped on that at the time of Weinsteen and Cosby and it was a big movement at the time, it probably seemed like

Yes- I am going to have to agree with you there. It's unbelievable if she's lying.

I do think JD says things are fake to suit himself. That text is fake, someone took his phone and wrote that disgusting text referencing 'molly' . Yet the picture of him with the bruise isn't fake even though AHs team showed evidence he has it before the honeymoon on the train.

AHs photos are fake. AH doesn't say any of her texts etc which make her look bad see fake.

@mummyrocks1
Excluding the photos the only other evidence she has is a few people seeing bruises, one text that JDs assistant said he kicked her on the plane and the audio he says he head butted her. Yes these are abuse but no where nearer the attacks she is claiming.

Did the text from JD assistant saying he kicked her on the plane been presented as evidence in court?
I can't remember if the jury have seen this or not.

It's been 6 weeks and I can't remember everything that has been entered 😁

AH's response to JD's "My kids read in the press that I'm a wife beater" (para phrased)? "My family's getting bad press too!" (again, paraphrased, but that's the jist). That told me all I needed to know that she is talking out of her dainty bahookie.

In actual fact Depp meets more of the criteria of BPD (that’s it’s old name anyway - it’s now EUPD) than Heard - Substance abuse; inappropriate intense anger and problems controlling it; reckless; uncontrolled spending; distrustful, suspicious; friends become enemies and love turns to hate at the drop of a hat.

I don’t really approve of court ordered diagnoses on either side - the psychiatrists tend to sing the tune they’d paid to. It’s more revealing to hear from the individual’s actual psychiatrists.

@mummyrocks1 Sorry just realised this quote wasn't from you. So sorry 😬

@unctuousunicorns1 I meant this for you

This is the medical guy?

He is an expert orthopaedic surgeon in hands.

But he hasn't examined JD hand, just explaining why he thinks JD story of how it happened is the more likely version.

Depps team just rested now AH rebuttal case starts.

I’d agree tbh - I think they both probably fit the criteria pretty well

Thanks! Excuse my short hand, I'm boxing everyone into - friend/employee/Twitter user/ etc

Sorry that was to @IrisVersicolor - I clicked on reply but it didn’t tag!

Oh yes, MR, all the endless he said, she said. Tbh I thought it just looked like sunburn, but Connolly assured the court it was a shiner. But he would say that cause JD is paying him to. But you could equally argue that on AH's side. Are her rellies and pals "pledged" a cut of the $100 mil if she wins and is awarded full amount? Nasty JD texts claimed to be incoming so not sent by JD but presumably by potty mouthed Reuters? My head is spinning and I'm not even on the jury. 🤔

*Deuters ffs.